[118953] in Cypherpunks
Re: IP: Net users must prepare for Big Brother (fwd)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Reese)
Mon Oct 11 09:06:11 1999
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:51:27 -1000
To: Jim Choate <ravage@einstein.ssz.com>, cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com
From: Reese <reeza@flex.com>
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At 08:28 PM 10/10/99 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
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>----- Forwarded message from John Young -----
>
>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:19:53 -0400
>From: John Young <jya@pipeline.com>
>Subject: CDR: Re: IP: Net users must prepare for Big Brother (fwd)
>
>What the G8 panickers are aiming for is a method to lay
>claim to all the records and data of access points and ISPs
>around the globe which may have been used as links in the
>trail of a criminal action, not unlike the broadscope grounds
>for seizure and forfeiture criticized here yesterday in testimony
>by the Cato attorney.
>
>...
>
>As with forfeiture the ISP does not have to be guilty of a crime,
>but the hopping data in its machines is evidence.
>
>[ only *after* the actual crime. ]
>
>...
>
>----- End of forwarded message from John Young -----
>
>
that's gotta be the lamest response I've ever seen from you Jim,,, John
must have hit a soft spot,,,
Error in <send>mail???
from a followup post, the reply you meant to send the first time:
>So these governments are going to force every programmer on the planet to
>write code a certain way, or include a particular library at a certain
>point, etc.? How can that be? It violates the 1st.
Error #1, th USG has already sold a bill of goods wrt crypto, crypto is not
an expression of speech, unless it is printed on a dead tree (or < 40 bits).
>The US government can't
>tell you to write a book.
erratum #2, they'd rather you kept quiet, than spread knowledge that would
work against them.
>How do they propose to make operating systems like
>Linux compliant?
They don't. To date, the military and increasing numbers of businesses are
going with virusNT, homeowners with vitus98,,, linux proponents distinguish
themselves in ways they do not comprehend (read between the lines on this
one, ok?). they will probably use this preference of OS to single
dissenters out, and then require them to provide passkeys or suffer the
consequences.
>Are they seriously proposing to outlaw Open Source software?
Nope, why should they when it is an excellent vehicle for other agendas?
>And what about older non-compliant systems, is it going to become illegal to
>use them?
eh? older systems are presumably already compromised (or already cracked),
better to use them, more easily to crack them,,,
> And just exactly *who* is paying for all this upgrading and hardware
>replacement (I assume they'll want the routers doing it also)?
It's the USG, remember? You (and I) did,,,
>I wonder how
>the British are going to feel with the French and Germans pawing around their
>networks by asking the Swiss, and visa versa?
harumph. the swiss are probably funding some facet of it, the brits have
menwith hill, and the frogs have always marched to the sound of their own
drum. that leave the germans, and we know they are control freaks.
