[118952] in Cypherpunks
..and Jim loved Big Brother (fwd)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jim Choate)
Mon Oct 11 08:45:41 1999
From: Jim Choate <ravage@EINSTEIN.ssz.com>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:44:28 -0500 (CDT)
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----- Forwarded message from Anonymous -----
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:50:14 +0200 (CEST)
From: Anonymous <nobody@replay.com>
Subject: CDR: ..and Jim loved Big Brother
In sum, CALEA on everything. The Freeh conclusion
to a wired world.
>What the G8 panickers are aiming for is a method to lay
>claim to all the records and data of access points and ISPs
>around the globe which may have been used as links in the
>----- End of forwarded message from John Young -----
>So these governments are going to force every programmer on the planet to
>write code a certain way, or include a particular library at a certain
>point, etc.? How can that be? It violates the 1st.
Of course not. Authors never have deep pockets. You go
after Barnes and Noble, etc. The commercial deployers of
a tech. Businesses have locations, licenses, assets. Businesses are the
weak points in the meatspace link to implementation.
[ This still doesn't answer my question about Open Source or independant
programmers. There is no requirement that a person by their Open Source
code from any vendor. I could (and have on many occassions gotten the
source from the archive site and compiled it myself. My question still
stands. ]
>The US government can't
>tell you to write a book.
All they can do is: seize your assets, toss your ass in jail. Hard to pay
civrights lawyers when some dumbass Tennessee DA has seized your bookstore,
slandered your name in public.
[ But *only* after you've written it. Your point is irrelevant in this
case. ]
How do they propose to make operating systems like
>Linux compliant? Are they seriously proposing to outlaw Open Source
software?
Course not. You can write software just like you can write a book or a
song. You just can't distribute it publicly, or use it
commercially.
[ And how prey tell are they going to accomplish this? As I said before,
are they going to make it illegal for me to keep my existing software
on my box? Are they going to make it illegal to use out of date
software (that isn't compliant)? Etc. You've addressed none of the
issues, only taken an opportunity to yank on my chain. ]
>And just exactly *who* is paying for all this upgrading and hardware
>replacement (I assume they'll want the routers doing it also)?
You, Jimmy boy, as long as you kiss ass enough so that
We continue to let you pay taxes. Telco stockholders didn't eat CALEA, We
paid for it, and the ISPs might get a little
dole from the Machine to implement their changes (if their
lobbyists suck enough congresscock, else they will have to
eat it.) In any case, the public eats it one way or another.
[ But it's bigger than that. To be fully complaint somebody is going to
have to regulate programming at the individual level. If you thing I'm
going to do that, or any American, then you should review the Constitution
a tad more. ]
>I wonder how
>the British are going to feel with the French and Germans pawing around their
>networks by asking the Swiss, and visa versa?
These entities are fully-owned subsidiaries of NATO Enterprises,
a division of the Uncle Sam or Else Corp, Unltd.
[ Hey dip shit, France isn't part of NATO. ]
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