[118714] in Cypherpunks
Belinda Burnore Predicts "Remailers will be destroyed from within" (Was: Re: Suggestion rmgroup news.admin.net-abuse.usenet)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Secret Squirrel)
Wed Oct 6 06:57:17 1999
Date: 6 Oct 1999 10:24:21 -0000
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From: Secret Squirrel <squirrel@echelon.alias.net>
Reply-To: Secret Squirrel <squirrel@echelon.alias.net>
Belinda Burnore <eridani@databasix.com> wrote:
> Moreover, as another remailer user pointed out not long ago, Jeff's
> hysteria over that letter didn't quite mesh with what he said about
> how he'd stood up to the lawyers representing the Church of
> Scientology. (And I sure wish I'd been the one to make that
> observation a couple of years ago.)
IOW, he was prepared for the tactics of organizations like
DataBasix.com after his encounter with Scientology.
Hysteria? It sounds like he was yanking your chain, after your
preposterous claims. Remember, he already KNEW that he didn't have
the remailer logs you were demanding of him. So there was no need
for "hysteria", nor did I see any in evidence from his post. He was
trying to see just how low you'd stoop to get those logs (for
purposes you still have not disclosed), and I guess he found out,
didn't he?
> One would also do well to remember that much of the harassment
> Burchell suffered (according to his own admission and corroborated
> by other observers) was as a result of Peter <can't remember the
> last name> posting the contact information for his employer as a
> followup to every spambait. That's what generated the hundreds of
> phone calls to his employer.
It's clever that the spambait itself appeared right on cue after
Gary Burnore got pissed with Jeff Burchell for not turning over all
of his logs to you and Gary Burnore.
> "Gary Burnore's attacks on remailers" is precisely the kind of
> language The Anonymous Asshole has been using for years. And people
> who already dislike Gary because of his obnoxious posting style are
> too quick to believe it.
Call us all "Anonymous Assholes" -- yeah, that's the ticket. Sure
way to win sympathy for your never-ending litany of complaints and
accusations.
> I'm not sure what you mean about Winter, but it's not a perfect
> example because you're a cypherpunk, David. They *like* you. Let
> an outsider or someone they don't make a complaint or voice the
> tiniest bit of criticism, and see what happens. At the best, no
> action; at the worst, the complainant becomes fair game.
Start calling people "assholes" and guess what? They stop
cooperating with you!
> Am I bitter? You betcha.
No, really?
> Just a couple of months ago a remailer user was trying to find out
> where my son goes to school.
So? Of what significance is it that he/she was a "remailer user",
versus a "driver of a Ford", or whatever?
> A couple of weeks ago, he provided directions on how to find Gary to
> someone who was making death threats.
How? Do you mean the person who merely posted the InterNIC
registration data for the Databasix.com domain? Are you really
afraid of a person supposedly trying to kill you who couldn't even
figure out how to do a simple "whois" request? BTW, I read the post
in question, and it's not that he threatened anyone, just that you
chose to read it in a paranoid fashion.
Also, the person who supposedly made the "threats" was NOT posting
anonymously! Has he been reported to the authorities? Have they
arrested him? Do they take his threat seriously?
> He's tried not once, but twice, to get Gary fired from his job.
More accusations -- no proof.
> And that's just a short list of what's been done to us by
> (probably one) remailer user.
"Probably one"? Probably? You mean you're GUESSING?
> Remailers will be destroyed from within. From the users who abuse
> them.
Or their haters who deliberately perpetrate "designer abuse" to
accomplish that same end. Who would have the greater motive to
close down a remailer? A person who actually USES it, or someone
who has no use at all for them, and wants to see them shut down?
> From the operators, who treat victims of remailer harassment
> with scorn and derision.
People who treat others that way tend to receive similar treatment
themselves.
When Gary was making a similar rant a couple of years ago, he was
invited to start his own remailer, if he thought he coudl do a
better job of running one. Has he done so?
> From the supporters who are so hung up on one individual that they
> are blinded to those who are really the problem.
"Those who are really the problem"? And who might those be? Please
name names and provide supporting evidence for your accusations?
Otherwise, your rant will be written off as just another Burnorian
F.U.D. campaign.
