[117083] in Cypherpunks
Re: Sanctions etc.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Secret Squirrel)
Thu Aug 26 04:07:50 1999
Date: 26 Aug 1999 07:47:42 -0000
From: Secret Squirrel <secret_squirrel@nym.alias.net>
Message-ID: <b6d3628a4d7f8155bf974b48526b8720@anonymous>
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Reply-To: Secret Squirrel <secret_squirrel@nym.alias.net>
On 25 Aug 1999 at 22:15:27 +0300 (EEST),
Zombie Cow <waste@zor.hut.fi> wrote:
> Oh please, forgive me!
No, I don't think so.
> Take my blood and lubricate your American gas-leaking
> car with it!
OK. Aren't you in Finland, though? Last I checked, we
weren't spilling any blood in Finland. That could change,
though. We'll keep your request on file.
> Let's kill 1.7 million more women and children so that
> your American cars will have even more oil to burn!
If you're referring to Iraq, you're more than a bit
confused. If I'm doing business with a friend and some
shitlicker invades my friend's home and threatens not
only our friendship but the business we're doing, you
can bet I'll reserve the option to kick the living
shit out of the invader and send him packing or to Hell.
If I send him packing, with bruises, and my containment
policy to keep him from easily doing it again is met
with obstinance and belligerence, that's too fucking
bad for him.
In the end, _all_ people run the risk of paying the
price for the acts and policies of the people they
tolerate in positions of power. Dictatorships are no
exception -- the leaders are still tolerated at the
pleasure of the people. All people bear the
responsibility for having the leaders they do. If
that seems unfair to you, then cry your eyes out or
put your head in a gas oven. It's reality.
> Now please explain to me why is it that you think
> you Americans should have the first-privilege of
> possessing and burning of all the oil?
We have no privilege. If we buy oil, where is the
issue? I'm not aware that we've been invading and
stealing oil at the point of a gun. You seem to have
your panties in a knot because not everyone else in
the world can buy oil as "easily" as we can. Tough.
Instead of whining, you should get busy helping those
backward and constipated nations reform their
inbred political systems and get their technology
in gear. Virtually all the poor nations on earth are
poor because their political systems are in the Stone
Age. Their "leaders" close the borders so they can
create a zero-sum game in which they steal 90% of the
kitty.
You wouldn't understand that, though, because you are
clearly (from your posts I've seen on their way to
the bit bucket) an unreconstructed socialist who thinks
the world is made up of zero-sum games in which
government should step in to allocate shortages and
misery. You are brain-fucked.
> The point is that not everyone can live like you
> do,
That's up to them, not up to us. You're addressing
the wrong audience. Instead of whining to us you
should be castigating the dictators and tin horn
tyrants of the world for restraining their people
and economies for their own personal gain.
> and you are condoning the murder, killing and
> starvation of non-American people to support your
> energy-wasting luxury lifestyle.
Not at all. But I'll happily condone retaliation
against others when they have initiated the use of
force that affects me or my friends and allies.
When civilians of such aggressive regimes suffer,
that is just too fucking bad. See the principle
enunciated above about responsibility.
> You accept the killing of 1.7 million women and
> children to get that oil. You are willing to
> lubricate your cars with the blood of 1.7 million
> dead Iraqi women and children.
You are writing as if the U.S. were storming into Iraq
and shooting our way to the oil wells. That is hardly
what is going on. We're not taking any oil from Iraq.
On the contrary, we are encouraging Iraq to leave its
oil in the ground for the future, a very responsible,
conservationist position, in my opinion. We are doing
that because Hussein seems to do such silly and
dangerous things with the revenue when he sells the
oil.
The blood of Iraqis, though, makes very poor lubricant
for machinery. I'll happily see another 1.7 million of
them die, though, if that's what it takes to get them
to stay the fuck inside their own borders and stay the
fuck out of countries friendly to me.
> Your message reflects your American school-bred
> values so clearly. Let everyone starve as long
> as you Americans get to live in luxury.
We are the most generous people on the face of the
planet. You're smoking some really bad socialist
weed, there. But since you're so distant from any
reality, I'll accomodate your desire to be disliked
and observe that I, personally, don't give a rat's
ass whether you and your Iraqi friends starve to
death or not. Also personally, I'd be a lot happier
if the Arabs had never been empowered by our bidding
for the oil under their barren lands. It would be
so much more fitting if they were all still living
in tents, breathing sand and eating camel dung. If
it had been strictly up to them, the oil would still
be thosands of feet below their feet, untouched,
unpumped, and unsold.
> Don't feel bad, this is how every American feels.
> We non-Americans are good for nothing but gun-
> fodder it appears.
You clearly don't have a fucking clue how Americans
feel or what they think. A lot of them are just as
air-headed as you are. Some of us, though, would
gladly run over your sorry ass with a tank or drop
a cruise missile into your bowl of breakfast cereal
if you were to have the audacity of taking any steps
in the physical world to tell us how to live or not
to live or where or how we can or should spend our
money or not. If you or your scurvy friends want
more money than you have, shut the fuck up and _earn_
it. If you want mine, be prepared to pay for it with
your life.
> And you call that fight hard on *you*, the
> Americans? Just count the dead, while you burn that
> gas. It might as well be blood.
I'll take an afternoon drive through the countryside
and burn a few gallons in your name. The only contamination
I find in my gasoline is the bureaucrat that turns up in
every tankfull. I'll leave counting the dead to you, since
you seem to enjoy it so much. I just wish you'd journey to
Iraq and catch a cruise missile so we could get your
entirely off-topic spewings and forwards off this list.
It's a pain in the ass creating a filter every day or two
to direct pus-enhanced mail to the vaporizer folder. Show
me where there are 1.7 million men, women and children I
can kill to win relief from the burden of email like yours
and I'll off them in a heartbeat.
Truthmonger
