[8820] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
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daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bob Stringfield, ODCSPER)
Mon Dec 6 07:02:44 1993
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 13:02:34 -0000
From: "Bob Stringfield, ODCSPER" <bstring@heidelberg-emh17.army.mil>
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I was asked to post to all three mail--lists so message is posted
with minor editing....
--bob
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Subject: [FWD] DISA and the Internet/MILNET
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>>Forward message follows.
>>To: paperboy,
>>From: ttaylor@pens-emh3.ncts.navy.mil
>>Posted: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 16:15:12 -0600 (CST)
>>Cc:
>>From ttaylor@pens-emh3.ncts.navy.mil Sun Nov 28 17:00:43 1993
>>Return-Path: <ttaylor@pens-emh3.ncts.navy.mil>
>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 16:15:12 -0600 (CST)
>>From: CAPT Tim Taylor USN <ttaylor@pens-emh3.ncts.navy.mil>
>>Subject: FW: Re[2]: DISA and Internet (fwd)
>>To: RADM Kendell Pease USN <kpease@opnav-emh.navy.mil>,
>> CAPT Fred Leeder USN <fleeder@opnav-emh.navy.mil>,
>> CAPT Jay Kistler USN <kistlerj@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil>,
>> CDR Keith Highfill USN <khighfil@pens-emh3.ncts.navy.mil>,
>> CDR Keith Arterburn USN <karterbu@se2e757f.pa.osd.mil>,
>> CDR Paul Dorin USN <dorin@nosc.mil>,
>> LT Randy Britton USN <rbritton@pens-emh3.ncts.navy.mil>,
>> LT Scott Gureck USN <wgureck@opnav-emh.navy.mil>,
>> LTJG Paul Everitt USN <paul.everitt@ncts.navy.mil>,
>> Mr Jim Glenn <jim.glenn@ncts.navy.mil>,
>> Mr George F Hurlburt <hurlburt@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil>,
>> Mr Bob Kolacki <kolackir@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil>,
>> Mr Dan Doherty <paperboy@tecnet2.jcte.jcs.mil>,
>> Ms Carlynn J Thompson <cthomps@dgis.dtic.dla.mil>
>>Cc: Mr Cliff Bernath <cbernath@pagate.pa.osd.mil>
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>>Forwarded for your information. VR, Tim
>>
>>CAPT Tim Taylor, USN Email: Tim.Taylor@ncts.navy.mil
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>>Date: Thu, 25 Nov 93 10:31:00 PST
>>From: Cliff Bernath <cbernath@pagate.pa.osd.mil>
>>To: Tim Taylor <tim.taylor@ncts.navy.mil>
>>Cc: Tom Krupp <tkrupp@pagate.pa.osd.mil>
>>Subject: FW: Re[2]: DISA and Internet
>>
>>Tim and Tom: Please distribute this to whoever needs to know.
>>Thanks: Cliff 11/26/93
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>From: Anthony Montemarano
>>To: Cliff Bernath
>>Cc: DISALAN.BOYDJ_at_HQS2
>>Subject: Re[2]: DISA and Internet
>>Date: Friday, November 26, 1993 8:45AM
>>
>>Mr Bernath, this is Washington DC. I'm convinced nobody executes anything
>> successfully without getting consensus. Mr. Joe Boyd has since been
>> appointed as the DISA guy who will work with the communities to ensure
>> what is to be done can be tolerated. To reassure you, I can not
>> imagine in my wildest dreams turning on this devise before user
>> concerns have been addressed.
>>
>> Joe will be the lead and will be getting in touch with you. I will be
>> involved. I think you'll find that as we peel back this onion it gets
>> very very uncomfortable. My fear is we will approach a point where we
>> find MILNET and SECURITY are mutually exclusive concepts.
>>
>> Whatever, looking forward to meeting you.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>From: Anthony Montemarano
>>To: cbernath
>>Cc: montemaa; DISALAN.MILTONJ_at_HQS2; DISALAN.BOYDJ_at_HQS2; macnabr;
>>DISALAN.GRINDLEW_at_HQS2
>>Subject: Re: DISA and Internet
>>Date: Monday, November 22, 1993 12:18PM
>>
>>Mr. Montemarano,
>> Thanks for your response. I would like to meet with you to discuss
>>this further, as would, I'm sure, the other IR's in OSD and the Military
>>Services.
>> Believe me, I DO understand the need for security on the network. But
>>I do NOT agree that user communications requirements and security
>>requirements are mutually exclusive. There is a lot of expertise out here.
>> Work with us and we will find satisfactory solutions.
>> As I read your reply, you still intend to go forward with your
>>"solution" without consulting your user community. Please reconsider that
>>course of action. We would rather work with you than against you. If you
>>need help in putting together a meeting of concerned OSD and Service users
>>and experts, I will be happy to help.
>> I can be reached at 697-0713.
>>
>>Bernath 11/23/93
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>> Mr. Bernath
>>My name is Anthony Montemarano, Mr. MacNab's supervisor. I request that
>> you understand that the reasons for controlling traffic between the
>> intenet and MILNET are numerous and that we DISA have worked closely
>> with the services and agencies to develop this approach and have
>> documented it. It was approved as part of the DISN-NT Security
>> Architecture by all services, by the Joint Staff and by the former ASD
>> (C3I).
>>
>> We at DISA do not by any means intend to be insensitive to our users.
>> Please understand though, we have an obligation to provide them a
>> safe and survivable network. From your comments, I suspect you do not
>> understand the background and the reasons why. We would gladly take
>> the time to explain and hopefully gain your understanding.
>>
>> Further, Mr. MacNab merely mentioned what had already been documented.
>> What we have not done as of yet is make formal announcements to the
>> field that would indicate timelines and necessary actions. We are
>> still working toward that goal. However, we do have a new acquisition
>> strategy that is causing us to make sure all we are doing is
>> consistent.
>>
>> If you take anything out of my response to you, please accept my word
>> that we are VERY sensitive to the users; both their communications
>> requirements AND their security requirements. Unfortunately, these two
>> concepts tend to be mutually exclusive which puts us between the
>> proverbial rock and a hard spot. If and when the devise is
>> implemented our users will be given ample time to adjust.
>>
>> VR
>> Tony Montemarano
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Mr. MacNab:
>>
>>I've been reading with interest the messages concerning DISA's (silent)
>>proposal to disconnect DoD from the Internet. The proposal concerns me for
>>two reasons:
>>
>>1) Since its inception, DISA has tended to act unilaterally and arrogantly
>>on decisions that greatly impact the Defense community. I had hoped that,
>>with the change of DISA leadership, a new spirit of cooperation and
>>coordination would ensue. That apparently is not the case. This
>>decision, which will greatly affect the systems my office has been
>>building for the past few years with full approval by DISA. Yet I find
>>out about it, via the very Internet you want to disconnect us from, and
>>not from you or your organization. You have a user community you (DISA)
>>are supposed to be supporting. Please support us by finding out what your
>>community is doing. Please support us by advising us of your plans and
>>trying to determine the impact of those plans. Call a meeting of your IRM
>>representatives from OSD and make this proposal. You will not get support
>>or cooperation if you do not seek it!
>>
>>2) Our job in OSD(Public Affairs) is to disseminate information to the
>>media, to the public, to Congress. We have been working with the rest of
>>OSD (including C3I and DISA), the military services, the White House and
>>the news media to develop systems which facilitate that exchange of
>>information. Much of that development is dependent on connection to the
>>Internet (including FTP and telnet capabilities). Your decision will
>>cause us to have to explain to those offices that DISA has, with no
>>coordination or explanation, made a decision that will nullify years of
>>planning and implementation, including money spent in that implementation.
>>Mr. MacNab, I urge you discuss this ill-advised venture fully with your
>>chai representatives. We need to work together.
>>Thank you for your cooperation.
>>
>>Clifford H. Bernath
>>Deputy Asst to the SecDef
>>Public Affairs
>>
>>
