[8480] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: Puzzled thoughts re ANS goals for CIX
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ed Tully)
Sat Nov 20 12:38:01 1993
From: tully@cscns.com (Ed Tully)
To: postman@lists.psi.com (Daniel P Dern)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 93 10:37:00 MST
Cc: com-priv@psi.com, ddern@world.std.com
In-Reply-To: <199311200318.AA15732@world.std.com>; from "Daniel P Dern" at Nov 19, 93 10:18 pm
I usually consider myself a fairly intelligent person, but I have to tell
all of you involved in the past two days about the CIX, CITA, et al, that
I lost it in terms of trying to follow what the hell this discussion is
all about. I think I began to follow, then entered Adams, Dern, Ittai and
a few others, and the thread got lost. I know I am not alone, because
there are many of us that have to lurk a while to grasp what is being said
and what the background is -- but I gotta tell ya, this one takes the
cake! Would one of you be kind enuf to summarize the "discussion" since
Ittai announcement about ANS joining the CIX? and, Ittai, since ANS
joined, wouldn't that mean that ANS CO+RE is also a member, since ANS owns
CO+RE?
Ed Tully
>
> >Anyone who is at all tuned in to the mass media has certainly realized
> >that the Internet has come of age.
>
> Actually, anyone who's tuned into the mass media is likely to be a few
> octets short of a packet in terms of having any good real notion of
> what the Internet is all about. Present company excepted, of course,
> the majority of the mass media are still obsessing on Usenet and email
> as "the Internet." The only good sign is that that poor high school
> girl somewhere in Kentucky seems to have gotten her net feed, as we
> haven't heard about how NREN will help her get homework done any more...
>
> >I think we can all agree the single largest driver of the Internet
> >phenomenon is the value organizations and individuals derive from
> >being able to obtain connectivity into a global mesh of networks that
> >now interconnects upwards of 15 million people.
> Thank you, Ittai, for bringing a reminder of what the Internet really
> means, in the public forum. I mean it. (See above comment.)
>
> >In August 1991, three Internet service providers formed an
> >organization called the CIX to pursue a different vision of
> >interconnectivity.
> ...
> >What does ANS want from a Commercial Internet Trade Association:
> ...
> I'm not going to comment about the connecting stuff; I don't feel I
> know enough to contribute to that discussion. My question is, where
> did this segue come in. Last I heard, the CIX was providing inter-
> member transport, and nothing else. Have they expanded their charter,
> mission, or whatever? Or is this CITA stuff a different topic; if
> so, what does it necessarily have to do with the CIX -- if it does,
> how do businesses join, etc (e.g., O'Reilly, Counterpoint, Delphi,
> Dow Jones, Bunyip, WAIS Inc, Internet Company... and perhaps the
> companies involved as users in Internet-based business)? This might
> be an org that in turn makes suggestions to the CIX, indeed, to providers,
> carriers, ISOC, et. al.
>
> >Ways in which the CIX can become the Commercial Internet Trade
> >Association that ANS envisions:
> > o Create an environment that allows the CIX to expand its
> > membership to include a broader set of data network service
> > providers.
> >
> > o Develop a CIX mission statement that defines what the CIX mission
> > is, and how it will seek to accomplish that mission.
> OK, here's some of the segue after the fact. Here's a reasonable
> question... didn't you guys (ANS) just join the CIX? If so, isn't
> it a little early to start requesting changes; if what you want from CIX
> is so different from what it is, did it make sense to join?
>
> Again, if what is being asked for is a CITA, why ask the CIX to
> > o Get out of the network services business. A trade association
> > can not provide a high quality, well managed network service.
> If you want the CIX out of the network services business, why'd you join
> it for connectivity?
>
> >In summary, it is our hope that the CIX Association becomes an
> >effective trade association for the entire Internet service provider
> >community. While it is not that today, ANS feels that the time has
> >come to put aside past differences and begin to work together to
> >ensure the continued success of the commercial Internet.
> Again-2, why couple one item to another?
>
> Puzzedly,
> Daniel Dern, editor, Internet World magazine, etc.
>
>
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Edward J. Tully
Network Training & Consulting
Community News Service
Colorado Springs, CO
