[8341] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: In the Matter of: Connecting to Kremvax.demos.su
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Petri Helenius)
Mon Nov 15 14:41:36 1993
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 21:39:23 +0200
From: Petri Helenius <pete@eunet.fi>
To: 0005066432@mcimail.com
Cc: telecom@delta.eecs.nwu.edu, com-priv@psi.com
In-Reply-To: <0119931115082100/0005066432NA1EM-d100000@MCIMAIL.COM>
> >From: Paul Robinson <TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM>
> Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA
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> On the list Telecom Digest <telecom@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> there is mention
> that sites in the U.S. cannot connect (due to U.S. Government pressures)
> with some sites behind the former Iron Curtain. One example of which is the
> site kremvax.demos.su. Evidence from this message implies it is not the
> government doing this, it is someone else.
NSFNET/ ANS CORE. Name it anything you want. Our Russian friends have been
connected to NSFNET occasionally, but every time this has been noticed,
MERIT or ANS has cut them off, because they are not allowed to connect
to NSFNET. They can connect to all non-ANS sites in the US, so this is
not a government regulation.
Pete
> A writer pribik@rpi.edu (Chris Labatt-Simon) indicated that he got
> through from his site (Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY 12181,
> according to the WHOIS database):
> > 1 vccfr2 (128.113.75.254) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms
> > 2 psi1.rpi.edu (128.113.100.1) 27 ms 3 ms 3 ms
> > 3 rpi.albany.pop.psi.net (38.145.34.1) 53 ms 9 ms 13 ms
> > 4 core.net223.psi.net (38.1.2.6) 51 ms 66 ms 77 ms
> > 5 Washington.DC.ALTER.NET (192.41.177.248) 172 ms 48 ms 30 ms
> > 6 New-York.NY.ALTER.NET (137.39.128.2) 92 ms 420 ms 413 ms
> > 7 Demos-gw.ALTER.NET (137.39.96.2) 707 ms 656 ms 733 ms 679 ms
> > 8 kremvax.demos.su (192.91.186.200) 709 ms 733 ms 679 ms
> Writer dej@eecg.toronto.edu (David Jones) tried:
> > 1 cyclops.eecg.toronto.edu (128.100.10.185) 2 1 ms 1 ms
> > 2 medusa.eecg.toronto.edu (128.100.10.187) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms
> > 3 sand.gw.toronto.edu (128.100.1.224) 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms
> > 4 utorgw.gw.utoronto.ca (128.100.96.19) 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms
> > 5 Epsp.ON.CAnet.CA (192.68.55.4) 71 ms 91 ms 82 ms
> > 6 * Xpsp.ON.CAnet.CA (192.68.53.1) 131 ms 128 ms
> > 7 ENSS133.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (192.35.82.101) 201 ms 184 ms 174 ms
> > 8 t3-1.Hartford-cnss49.t3.ans.net (140.222.49.2) 147 ms 165 ms
> > 9 t3-3.Hartford-cnss48.t3.ans.net (140.222.48.4) 196 ms * 127
> > 10 t3-2.Cleveland-cnss40.t3.ans.net (140.222.40.3) 96 ms 136
> > 11 t3-2.Chicago-cnss24.t3.ans.net (140.222.24.3) 165
> > 12 * t3-1.San-Francisco-cnss8.t3.ans.net (140.222.8.2) 330 ms *
> > 13 t3-0.San-Francisco-cnss9.t3.ans.net (140.222.9.1) 183 ms 2s
> > 14 t3-0.San-Francisco-cnss11.t3.ans.net (140.222.11.1)
> > 15 * * *
> I tried it from my full internet provider, Digital Express
> from site access.digex.net (164.109.10.3):
> 1 enss230.digex.net (164.109.1.1) 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms
> 2 t1-3.Washington-DC-cnss59.t3.ans.net (140.222.59.3) 4 ms 4 ms 5 ms
> 3 t3-3.Washington-DC-cnss58.t3.ans.net (140.222.58.4) 4 ms 6 ms 4 ms
> 4 t3-3.Washington-DC-cnss56.t3.ans.net (140.222.56.4) 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms
> 5 t3-0.New-York-cnss32.t3.ans.net (140.222.32.1) 10 ms 12 ms 10 ms
> 6 t3-1.Cleveland-cnss40.t3.ans.net (140.222.40.2) 22 ms 21 ms 21 ms
> 7 t3-2.Chicago-cnss24.t3.ans.net (140.222.24.3) 28 ms 29 ms 28 ms
> 8 t3-1.San-Francisco-cnss8.t3.ans.net (140.222.8.2) 70 ms 70 ms 70 ms
> 9 mf-0.San-Francisco-cnss11.t3.ans.net (140.222.8.195) 165 ms 71 ms
> 10 * * *
> 11 * * *
> This confirms what has been inferred on the com-priv list
> <com-priv@psi.com>:
> Digital Express (and U of Toronto) connect to the U.S. Internet via
> ANS CO+RE. Rensaeler connects to the U.S. Internet via the Commercial
> Internet Exchange (CIX) member ALTERNET, as apparently does Kremvax.
> This appears to confirm what was implied before: that CIX members are not
> connecting non-CIX member Internet sites to the CIX member portion of the
> Internet. Since they are a commercial installation, this is their
> privelege to do; they are paying for the backbone, they can decide to
> refuse connections from sites that aren't paying them for access.
> Sounds like the days when cities had two telephone companies and larger
> sites had to have phones on both systems.
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