[8255] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: ANS, the CIX, the rain, the park and other things
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karl Denninger)
Fri Nov 12 11:43:00 1993
From: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
To: stpeters@dawn.crd.ge.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 10:41:25 -0600 (CST)
Cc: karl@mcs.com, fair@apple.com, com-priv@psi.com
In-Reply-To: <9311120038.AA05743@spare-parts.crd.Ge.Com> from "Dick St.Peters" at Nov 11, 93 07:38:14 pm
> > Over the <network>, I agree completely. If the NSF is paying for the
> > conveyance of traffic and that traffic goes over a shared backbone I can't
> > see how you can reasonably separate the two <on the backbone>.
> >
> > However -- to the <ENSS> nodes which are <R&E attachment points> without
> > signed AUP agreements from the commercial attachment customers generating
> > those packets?
> >
> > These two issues are not the same thing.
> >
> > It is <not> impossible to separate out that traffic, and require that
> > commercial attachment customers (or gateway customers) have a signed
> > statement on file respecting the AUP provisions when communicating with
> > R&E attached sites or regional networks.
> >
> > Comments?
>
> Well, yes. This thread has me confused. Is the argument that there
> are places on the net that R&E people shouldn't be able to reach?
>
> I can't imagine that's what the AUP is about. In fact, it reads to me
> like its intent was to allow R&E types to reach anyone at all.
>
> --
> Dick St.Peters
> GE Corporate R&D, Schenectady, NY stpeters@dawn.crd.ge.com
If that is true then there is no AUP at all, since you can't realistically
block someone from reaching someone in one direction but not the other
(think about how, IP, and particularly TCP and UDP work, and you'll see
what I mean by this) Sure, you can filter on port number -- but that
doesn't really do what you want (only a close approximation of it)
Either there is an AUP, in which case we have a fragmented network by
legislative fiat, or there is no AUP, in which case we do not (and only
"market forces" cause fragmentation).
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