[2344] in Kerberos_V5_Development
[Ted Lemon: Re: Mailing list <-> News gateway...]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Y. Ts'o)
Thu Apr 17 12:09:43 1997
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:08:31 -0400
From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@MIT.EDU>
To: krbdev@MIT.EDU
I'm soliciting opinions from folks on the krbdev list; Ted Lemon has
made the suggestion that we decouple comp.protocols.kerberos from the
Kerberos mailing list, because the SPAM has gotten intolerable for him.
What do you all think?
Options range from simply decoupling it, to making
comp.protocols.kerberos moderated, to some kind of semi-automatic
moderation, etc.
- Ted
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To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mailing list <-> News gateway...
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:15:03 EDT."
<9704162015.AA00136@dcl.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:20:40 -0700
From: Ted Lemon <mellon@hoffman.vix.com>
> I understand your concern, but there are people who are reading the list
> both as a mailing list and via the newsgroup. I am therefore hesitant
> to simply shut it down.
Netnews is dead - killed by spam. I don't even read newnews anymore
because there's so much spam. I guess some people are still toughing
it out, but I think it's just a matter of time before we either
institute some kind of filtering mechanism for netnews based on secure
ID registration, or people just stop reading it.
> Of course, feel free to send complaints to the postmaster of any one
> whom you've noticed has generated spam.
I do actually do that for email spams, with very good success -
reporting spam to legitimate ISPs and filtering email from spam sites
has reduced the amount of spam I get to a few from the kerberos
mailing list and maybe one or two other spams each day. But I can't
report spam that comes in on the kerberos mailing list, because I have
no way of knowing if the headers are valid. With EMail from machines
that run standard Berkeley sendmail configurations, I can make a
pretty good guess as to which Received: lines are forged and which are
genuine. Sigh.
I don't know how to fix this problem, but I've several times almost
decided to unsubscribe from the Kerberos mailing list. I'm not
exaggerating when I say that I get more spam from this one mailing
list than from all other sources combined.
I realize that you have other, more important things to do, but I
think it's time to raise the question as to whether
comp.protocols.kerberos ought to be rmgrouped and people ought to just
go back to the mailing list, or not. I mention it to you rather than
to the whole mailing list because I don't think it's my place to begin
the discussion. If you don't think it makes sense to have this
discussion, I'll abide by that.
_MelloN_
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