[1343] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet

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Re: What is the Definition of Infrastructure?

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (stev knowles)
Mon Sep 16 14:21:56 1991

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 91 14:22:37 -0400
To: Ittai Hershman <ittai@shemesh.ans.net>
From: stev@ftp.com  (stev knowles)
Cc: com-priv@psi.com


    The point is not whether the institutions are commercial, but whether
    the traffic they choose to put out is.

oh, please, spare me the glib answer. we both know that traffic is not
easily divisable by the "commercial/noncommercial" rule. how about adding a
fastball to this. how about *personal* communications. what about inviting
people to go out to dinner? setting up a softball game?

your usage guidelines required a regional to pay fees based on the
"commercial" status of their connectees. you are going to find yourselves
with mud around your doors when you start to do this.
    
    FTP Software, Inc. is a commercial company, but it abides by the
    NSFnet AUP which restricts the content of its traffic on the backbone.
    
    -Ittai

currently, FTP maintains *two* internet connections. one over nearnet, and
one over psinet. we currently recieve full feeeds from both, and route
traffic accordingly. mind you, this is based on *destination*, not on *the
content* of the traffic. i would on the other hand, you seem to be trying to
do costs based on an *assumption* about the content.

actually, the Electronic Privacy Act is an interesting place to start
looking to see if the pricing structure you are suggesting is viable based
on the criteria you have above.


it occours to me that we are expending an *incredible* amount of energy
trying to decide how to fix this "problem", instead of trying to get people
to believe it *isnt a problem*. my company's truck does not pay special
taxes and have coupons plastered on the sides of it to allow it to drive
around town. why are my packets *evil* because i work for a profit company,
while mike patton's (yo, mike, you awake?) arent *because* he works for MIT?

image how much progress ANS could make if it expended its efforts into
fixing the system instead of trying to impose the system on us.




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