[12668] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: Re: Personal attacks are no substitute for logical consistency
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karl Denninger)
Wed May 25 22:48:01 1994
From: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
To: djw@eff.org (Daniel J. Weitzner)
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 14:01:07 -0500 (CDT)
Cc: karl@mcs.com, com-priv@psi.com
In-Reply-To: <199405251851.OAA17188@eff.org> from "Daniel J. Weitzner" at May 25, 94 02:51:11 pm
> In article <m0q64AQ-000oCxC@venus.mcs.com>, you write:
> >My basic position on this is that the Electronic Freedom Foundation has
> >deceived its members. They do not stand for freedom in any way, shape or
> >form. Freedom is not a euphanism for entitlement.
>
> Sorry, but you haven't even got our name right. We are the Electronic
> *Frontier* Foundation.
Oh, I'm sorry, so the *Frontier* foundation really should be named "The
Electronic Entitlement Foundation", right?
Since you didn't respond to the substantive point above, I guess that's a
fair assumption.
> >As far as I'm concerned all current members who feel that a broad-based
> >information tax, which would DESTROY the current Internet industry, is
> >unacceptable should immediately rip up their cards and mail back the pieces.
> >This organization, which has given the public a pretense of supporting
> >freedom by taking a very few carefully crafted legal cases, has shown its
> >true colors.
> >
> >Let's start a REAL EFF. One without the current louses that govern the
> >"foundation" that exists today, and one which puts their money and effort
> >where we, the netizens, think it should go -- towards ensuring the FREEDOM
> >(including the freedom to conduct commerce without undue encumberance) of
> >this place.
>
> Please do so. If you or anyone else has the commitment to create an
> organization that supports and advocates for your principles, whatever they
> are, we wouldn't have to have stupid discussions like this. You and your
> ideological compatriots might actual contribute some useful to the policy
> process.
Oh, I'm sorry. Only in a dictatorship are people so damn *arrogant* as to
call a discussion on the principles and basis that an organization stands
*stupid*.
I still say you have, and continue to, deceive people as to your true
agenda with your plum-picked "freedom" cases. That has absolutely nothing
to do with the agenda you seek to push or the causes you REALLY wish to
advocate.
In fact, your organization is nothing other than a front for another group
which wishes to expand the group of people sucking on the Government Teat
from what I can see. That is, by the way, a highly destructive action to
individual liberty and responsibility.
But then again, your decision to defend some of those cases really had
nothing to do with liberty or the consitutional issues raised here, did
they? Nor does your "condemnation" of key escrow.
This is all an entitlement game, is it not? Another tax for the "poor
disadvantaged people". Yeah, right. Just like the rest of the welfare
state which has LED TO the current situation we have rather than helping
it, this too is an evil trend that must be stomped on HARD -- and NOW.
> *** Join EFF!!! Send mail to membership@eff.org for information ***
Not on your life.
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