[11179] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: ANS and the CIX - have they really connected? (fwd)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karl Denninger)
Thu Mar 24 06:02:54 1994
From: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
To: poole@magnolia.eunet.ch (Simon Poole)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 20:53:36 -0600 (CST)
Cc: digex@ss1.digex.net, com-priv@psi.com
In-Reply-To: <199403231317.OAA14535@chsun.eunet.ch> from "Simon Poole" at Mar 23, 94 02:15:46 pm
> I'm sorry, but the issues are getting more and more mixed up. In
> particular the issue of no-resale rules of specific NSP's has nothing
> or very little to do in my eyes with access to the CIX no-settlement
> agreement and to the CIX exchange point.
Correct. The restrictions which ISPs put on thier own sales have nothing
at all to do with the CIX and its policies. In many cases they are MUCH
more restrictive than anything the CIX would even dream of.
> The CIX (Commercial Internet Exchange) is an industry association
> of -commercial- ISP's. The CIX members are competing with each other
> for customers, but still see value in agreeing to terms and conditions
> of membership in this association that allow a very low entry level to
> newcomers and essentially negate most advantages of having a large
> customer base, infrastructure etc..
Correct again :-)
> 2) that the CIX doesn't cater for ISP's that want to provide
> transit for other ISP's that are not members.
>
> Allowing this officially (instead of leaving this to private
> agreement), would allow these third party ISP's to profit
> from the agreement between the CIX members, without commiting
> themselves to no-settlement traffic exchange.
>
> A worst case case scenario:
>
> ISP C connects through A to the CIX.
Ok, but "C" is not a member here, right?
> CIX member B manages to sell a connection to
> a customer of C called D.
>
> C blocks traffic to D from its customers.
Which, if "C" is not a member, they can do.
> Since D has an important business relationship
> with a customer of C, they have no choice than
> to move back to C.
>
> Absolutely no recourse possible for D.
Which is why if you're "D" you damn well ought to insist that your ISP be a
CIX member! Then by virtue of the fact that "B" and "C" are members, "C"
is prohibited from discriminatorily doing this by agreement.
In this fashion the CIX <enhances> competition. This is, IMHO, a <good
thing>..
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