[11161] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: Options (was Re: What is an "Internet reseller"?)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karl Denninger)
Wed Mar 23 14:39:56 1994
From: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
To: NORDLUND@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu (Dave Nordlund)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 18:41:20 -0600 (CST)
Cc: karl@mcs.com, com-priv@psi.com
In-Reply-To: <m0pjFlH-000BcOC@mercury.mcs.com> from "Dave Nordlund" at Mar 22, 94 05:15:19 pm
>
> On Tue, 22 Mar 1994 00:06:18 -0600 (CST) you said:
> >
> >No. The best of all worlds in terms of users per connection is the shell
> >account. I can cram 20-30 people on a machine with a 56kbps backlink
> >depending on what they're doing.
> >
> >I can't even get TWO 28.8kbps packet users on that same 56kbps line!
> >
> Karl
> If I have 32 users on a terminal server (running SLIP) through a router
> on a 56 Kb link the link is not any more loaded than with 32 users
> logged in to shell accounts doing the same thing over a 56 Kb link from
> the UNIX box. I don't see a SLIP connected PC doing Gopher any different
> than a shell connected user doing Gopher.
If you have such a setup your customers will lynch you since they're all
going to get awful performance. That tends to be a self-correcting problem
-- you soon won't have any customers to worry about.
> >The reality is that anyone selling SLIP or PPP is automatically going to
> >need a T1 backfeed, regardless of how many people they have as customers.
> >The bar is MUCH higher in these cases.
> >
> See above!
Yes, you're right. You don't need a T1 to sell SLIP access.
The fact is, however that you'll have so much congestion that packets will
get tossed on the floor and performance will suck to the point that your
users will think they're on 1200 baud modems.
There's actually one guy here in Chicago who was selling SLIP accounts to
people while he was on a 14.4kbps SLIP line to Alternet! Now he's on a
56kbps line, and as far as I know his literature still claims to offer SLIP
to the public.
This despite the fact that (1) Alternet charges a serious fee to BGP peer
with you, (2) without you doing that they have, in the past prohibited
packet resale, and (3) anyone insane enough to BUY a SLIP account from
this guy on these terms deserve(d) exactly what they got, and (4) he is, I
believe using a Netblazer for his backbone link! (can you say "no bgp"?)
I <REGULARLY> see 53-54kbps data rates on my 28.8 modem when I'm running
things like Mosaic and FTPs. ONE of those calls and your 56kbps line is
buried. Two and you start to have serious overcommitment problems.
I <design and build> nationwide networks for a living. What you describe
just won't work well enough to keep ANYONE happy.
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