[11067] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: ANS and the CIX - have they really connected? (fwd)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karl Denninger)
Sun Mar 20 07:49:56 1994
From: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
To: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 00:11:37 -0600 (CST)
Cc: com-priv@psi.com
In-Reply-To: <m0phgfc-000IBUC@crynwr> from "Russell Nelson" at Mar 18, 94 10:41:00 am
> From: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 01:58:18 -0600 (CST)
>
> > (only a single IP address assigned, not at all intended for routing,
> > just a way that a customer can trade up from VT100 to real GUI interfaces)
> > (I feel that those customers should be able to get the CIX access
> > also, considering that they are not people who we are "reselling" IP
> > access to, they are just using IP as a personal interface into the net.
>
> Disagree.
>
> You ARE reselling IP access to those people. If not, then you could
> firewall the accounts so they could see only your hosts via IP. But
> that's not what you're doing, nor is it what we're doing.
>
> MR.net does the same thing, yet they're not a member of the CIX.
Then MR.NET's SLIP customers are not guaranteed CIX member connectivity. I
hope they're being straight with their customer base.
> I suspect that if you asked the customer what he was buying, he would
> perkily say "IP access to the net". If that's not IP resale I don't know
> what is.
>
> Okay, what if I run the ``term'' program? It runs a reliable,
> byte-sequenced protocol over a serial line that is NOT IP, yet it
> allows people to open TCP ports on their local machine. Someone could
> easily write a Winsock or "TCP" stack that runs over term. Everyone
> using ``term'' is using the same IP address (that of the server), yet
> everyone is in a different place.
>
> As far as they're concerned, they have IP access to the net. Is this not
> the same as IP resale??
If its another attempt (like using SOCKS) to evade the requirements, then I
would say so.
You can <always> come up with a device to get around a technical or
business issue, or make it appear that you're doing something you're not
(or that you aren't doing something you are). You can usually do it in
such a way that you don't get "caught". Doesn't make it right.
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