[10996] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: ANS and the CIX - have they really connected?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dick St.Peters)
Thu Mar 17 16:18:26 1994
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 16:15:20 EST
From: stpeters@swan-song.crd.ge.com (Dick St.Peters)
To: fair@apple.com, cook@path.net
Cc: com-priv@psi.com
Reply-To: <stpeters@dawn.crd.ge.com>
>ARGH! This just gets more and more Byzantine. As someone not versed in the
>technical side of this let me try a translation of what you say and then please
>tell me whether you agree.
>
>Are you saying that nine nets have a direct link to the CIX and that these
>9 *APPEAR* to be backhauling 153 *others* to the CIX each of which may or may
>not have ponied up the $10,000 for CIX membership?
>
>If so it certainly would be VERY informative to have an updated membership
>list posted by Bill Washburn.
The CIX appears to have more than one kind of "member". In the list of
"member networks" on the CIX gopher, there are five GE networks. GE is
not a reseller and is not paying anything to the CIX.
Gordon, if you think what you've heard so far is Byzantine, let me show
what real Byzantine is. The GE "internal" network is segregated from
the outside Internet by firewalls, but on ours here we run the SOCKS IP
proxy, which accepts packets from the inside net and retransmits them.
The outside Internet sees everything as originating from or going to
the proxy, but the inside sees itself as able to send to and receive
from the whole Internet. Now, a good size chunk of Martin Marietta
used to be part of GE, and they're still on our "internal" network. In
fact, they've attached the rest of MM to it. (And MM is now trying to
take over Grumman, possibly Northrup as well ... :-)
As far as I know, we don't yet have any MM packets coming to our proxy
and being relabelled as GE packets and sent on their way. However I
have set up gateways so that internal Mosaic users can indirectly use
our proxy - Mosaic sends a request to my gateway, which then fetches
the requested URL through the firewall by way of the proxy. I do have
some MM people using Mosaic by way of my gateways.
This is inefficient; here we use a Mosaic that can itself talk to the
outside by way of the proxy. If we let the MM people have this (and
we configure the proxy to resend their packets), then we would have MM
people sending packets here to be relabelled as GE packets.
Would this pass the CIX Acceptable Routing Policy?
--
Dick St.Peters, Gatekeeper, The Pearly Gateway; currently at:
GE Corporate R&D, Schenectady, NY stpeters@dawn.crd.ge.com
