[10970] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: ANS and the CIX - have they really connected?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Matthew Kaufman)
Wed Mar 16 23:30:29 1994
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:09:57 -0800
From: matthew@echo.com (Matthew Kaufman)
To: ittai@ans.net, rma@photon.poly.edu
Cc: com-priv@psi.com, matthew@echo.com, washburn@cix.org
I am one of several people who have REPEATEDLY brought up the fact that
the CIX agreement that gets signed when you attach seems to
specifically ALLOW "back-door" routing, but that the "working definition"
that Bill Washburn talks about specifically DISALLOWS "back-door" routing.
I've asked Bill directly, and I've posted messages to this list, and
in over a year of doing so, NONE of us has ever seen a concrete reply
from CIX... EVEN those who are CIX members!
What I want to see resolved is:
If I am an IP reseller, with a direct connection to CIX, and a signed
CIX agreement, can I let another IP reseller attach to me and advertise
routes to THEIR customers (who are INDIRECTLY attached to me) to the
CIX router?
If the answer is "NO", an explaination of why paragraphs 9 and 10 of
the CIX agreement don't have priority over What Bill Washburn Says.
If the answer is "NO", an answer to these followup questions:
- If the "IP reseller" who I let attach to me is simply doing
single-host SLIP/PPP connections, is it still prohibited?
- What If _I_ charge his (the subsidiary reseller's) customers to
advertise their routes to the CIX, (perhaps I even "assign the
IP network number" to his customers)
aren't _I_ then their service provider, and so that's now allowed?
- And if so, what if I choose to only charge them a dollar a year for
that service? (And let the subsidiary reseller handle collecting that
for me, while he's billing them)
-matthew kaufman
matthew@echo.com
For reference:
The Working Definition
All customers of a standard CIX member have access to the CIX
except for "resellers" of IP service. "IP service" is defined as
direct TCP/IP access to the Internet with the assigning of a IP
network number to an individual or organization. As such any
customer of a CIX member who is an IP reseller will not have
access to the CIX for itself or for the indviduals or organizations
it provides service to.
The Agreement You Sign
9. Members shall cooperate and coordinate their
activities to facilitate the broadest practical opportunity for
interconnectivity among the direct customers of each Member and
participating OSPNSP's. A Member shall not in a discriminatory manner (as
between other Members) or without reasonable justification decline to offer
CIX interconnectivity to its direct customers. Provided, however, that
notwithstanding any of the foregoing, any Member shall be able to offer
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virtual private networks, to administer traffic and/or access restrictions
for particular networks where requested or if required to provide special
services, to offer other special services subject to specified limitations,
to enter into separate interconnectivity agreements with other Members, to
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allow interconnectivity between indirect customers through CIX or other
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networks, and otherwise to comply with requests from customers or users for
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restrictions or limitations on the receipt, routing or delivery of
messages.
10. Nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to
prohibit or restrain the entry by any Member into any separate contract or
agreement with any other Member or third party on any terms.
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