[28058] in resnet
Re: Survey on ResNet Services
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Charlie Teater)
Thu Nov 1 17:46:25 2012
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From: Charlie Teater <cteater@BOISESTATE.EDU>
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We had 7 new buildings that were wired for 4 ports per room. We only
activated 1 port to save over 100,000 on switches. After 3 years of calls
that the port was not working we finally put blank plates on all inactive
ports. It was a significant savings but I would avoid wiring inactive
ports in the future.
Charlie Teater
IT Systems Coordinator
Housing & Residence Life
Boise State University
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Paul Morrison <paul.morrison@utoronto.ca>wrote:
> Cost of cabling >>>>>> Cost of switching equipment for the most part - I
> think the savings would be small.
>
> The question of what to do about multiple wired devices is a complicated
> one - but I think it will gradually go away as more and more devices just
> adopt wifi for simplicity of user setup (if for no other practical reason)
>
> Paul Morrison
> Computing Services Coordinator
> University College - University of Toronto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Andy
> Voelker
> Sent: November-01-12 5:08 PM
> To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [RESNET-L] Survey on ResNet Services
>
> I have heard some institutions installing the wiring for every room, but
> then only putting in minimal switching equipment. Then they rely on user
> request to activate and patch that port to a real switch. If you don't
> request it, you don't get it. I means fulfilling requests and possibly
> changing out equipment once in a while, possibly creating a mess. However,
> it might save money on the equipment at least.
>
> If you're doing this or considering it, why don't you chime in and tell us
> about the cost/benefit?
>
> -- Andy Voelker
> Manager of Student Computing in the Technology Commons WCU Staff Senator,
> UNC Staff Assembly Western Carolina University
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Derek
> Buchanan
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:37 AM
> To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: Survey on ResNet Services
>
> We have gotten that argument too here at Mary Baldwin. The problem is
> when the timeline gets closer to the mid-semester and the student
> population all want their Facebook, WOW, and Xboxes. Most find out pretty
> quickly that network cables are cheaper than the cost of their
> frustrations. If the person is merely checking e-mail or reading webpages
> for news, research, etc. then wireless speed is not that big a factor.
> However our gamers, streaming video addicts, and the power Facebook users
> are not going for it and granted these are the more online intensive users.
> You have to understand that your home network with fewer than 10 people is
> vastly different than a wireless network shared with 600 on-campus
> students, and then you have the potential of Fac/Staff on that connection.
> We treat wireless as a convenience technology, not an always on service
> like the wired network.
>
> Derek
> Mary Baldwin College
>
> P.S.
> Until recently, we were only on a 50MB connection that was upgraded to
> 100MB. We have not dropped below 97% usage during school sessions.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Duffin, Gregory J <DUFFIN001@gannon.edu>
> wrote:
> > The problem with the wired connection is 98% of our students won't use
> it.
> > We had every room wired and the students still wanted wireless. Waste
> > of money to keep installing network jacks and switches when there not
> > being used. We even explained how wireless works and why it is slower
> > and they basically refused to use the wired. Their statements are
> > that they use wireless at home and it works great there.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > Greg Duffin
> >
> > Systems Manager
> >
> > Information Technology Services
> >
> > Gannon University
> >
> > 109 University Square
> >
> > Erie, PA 16541
> >
> > (814) 871-7583
>
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We had 7 new buildings that were wired for 4 ports per room.=A0 We only act=
ivated 1 port to save over 100,000 on switches.=A0 After 3 years of calls t=
hat the port was not working we finally put blank plates on all inactive po=
rts.=A0 It was a significant savings but I would avoid wiring inactive port=
s in the future.<br>
=A0<br clear=3D"all">Charlie Teater<br>IT Systems Coordinator<br>Housing &a=
mp; Residence Life<br>Boise State University<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Paul Mor=
rison <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:paul.morrison@utoronto.ca" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">paul.morrison@utoronto.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">
Cost of cabling >>>>>> Cost of switching equipment for th=
e most part - I think the savings would be small.<br>
<br>
The question of what to do about multiple wired devices is a complicated on=
e - but I think it will gradually go away as more and more devices just ado=
pt wifi for simplicity of user setup (if for no other practical reason)<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Paul Morrison<br>
Computing Services Coordinator<br>
University College - University of Toronto<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">RESN=
ET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of Andy Voelker<br>
Sent: November-01-12 5:08 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a=
><br>
</div><div class=3D"im HOEnZb">Subject: Re: [RESNET-L] Survey on ResNet Ser=
vices<br>
<br>
</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">I have heard some institution=
s installing the wiring for every room, but then only putting in minimal sw=
itching equipment. =A0Then they rely on user request to activate and patch =
that port to a real switch. =A0If you don't request it, you don't g=
et it. =A0I means fulfilling requests and possibly changing out equipment o=
nce in a while, possibly creating a mess. =A0However, it might save money o=
n the equipment at least.<br>
<br>
If you're doing this or considering it, why don't you chime in and =
tell us about the cost/benefit?<br>
<br>
-- Andy Voelker<br>
Manager of Student Computing in the Technology Commons WCU Staff Senator, U=
NC Staff Assembly Western Carolina University<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">RESN=
ET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of Derek Buchanan<br>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:37 AM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a=
><br>
Subject: Re: Survey on ResNet Services<br>
<br>
We have gotten that argument too here at Mary Baldwin. =A0The problem is wh=
en the timeline gets closer to the mid-semester and the student population =
all want their Facebook, WOW, and Xboxes. =A0Most find out pretty quickly t=
hat network cables are cheaper than the cost of their frustrations. =A0If t=
he person is merely checking e-mail or reading webpages for news, research,=
etc. then wireless speed is not that big a factor. =A0However our gamers, =
streaming video addicts, and the power Facebook users are not going for it =
and granted these are the more online intensive users. You have to understa=
nd that your home network with fewer than 10 people is vastly different tha=
n a wireless network shared with 600 on-campus students, and then you have =
the potential of Fac/Staff on that connection. =A0We treat wireless as a co=
nvenience technology, not an always on service like the wired network.<br>
<br>
Derek<br>
Mary Baldwin College<br>
<br>
P.S.<br>
Until recently, we were only on a 50MB connection that was upgraded to 100M=
B. =A0We have not dropped below 97% usage during school sessions.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Duffin, Gregory J <<a href=3D"mailto:DUF=
FIN001@gannon.edu">DUFFIN001@gannon.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> The problem with the wired connection is 98% of our students won't=
use it.<br>
> We had every room wired and the students still wanted wireless. Waste<=
br>
> of money to keep installing network jacks and switches when there not<=
br>
> being used. We even explained how wireless works and why it is slower<=
br>
> and they basically refused to use the wired. =A0Their statements are<b=
r>
> that they use wireless at home and it works great there.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
<br>
> -------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Greg Duffin<br>
><br>
> Systems Manager<br>
><br>
> Information Technology Services<br>
><br>
> Gannon University<br>
><br>
> 109 University Square<br>
><br>
> Erie, PA 16541<br>
><br>
> <a href=3D"tel:%28814%29%20871-7583" value=3D"+18148717583">(814) 871-=
7583</a><br>
<br>
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