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Re: Survey on ResNet Services
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Duffin, Gregory J)
Thu Nov 1 09:07:44 2012
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The problem with the wired connection is 98% of our students won't use it. =
We had every room wired and the students still wanted wireless. Waste of m=
oney to keep installing network jacks and switches when there not being use=
d. We even explained how wireless works and why it is slower and they basic=
ally refused to use the wired. Their statements are that they use wireless=
at home and it works great there.
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Greg Duffin
Systems Manager
Information Technology Services
Gannon University
109 University Square
Erie, PA 16541
(814) 871-7583
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Wo=
lf
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:01 PM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: Survey on ResNet Services
I would second Marc's comments. Our IT management decided that we would tr=
y a test case in one large dorm at the beginning of school year. We carefu=
lly surveyed and installed additional AP's to get to a reasonable user/radi=
o ratio (10-12 per AP.) and turned down the wired side. Let's just say th=
at I'm glad that wired access was still available...
Streaming audio, video and gaming, plus all the regular browsing has made t=
he wireless in that dorm problematic. Yes, we could block some of these se=
rvices to make it better on the wireless, but adding restrictions to everyd=
ay common usage seems to be going backwards.
Leaving the gaming and specific high bandwidth wired devices on the wired n=
etwork is a much preferred solution for us.
In my humble opinion, knowing what I do of electronics and radio; wireless =
will never be faster than a wired (copper or fiber) solution. There is sim=
ply too much contention involved to use strictly wireless. Again; my opini=
on.
(one of these days, someone will probably figure out that all these high GH=
z radios in close proximity to student's beds tends to cook brain tissue, c=
auses tumors, or health issues; the more we add, the worse it will become. =
Then what will we do?!?! I always carry a candy bar in my pocket when work=
ing in the dorms!)
Andrew Wolf
Linfield College
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Doughty, =
Marc
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:20 AM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
Subject: Re: Survey on ResNet Services
Greetings,
I just wanted to weigh-in on this idea. I know that a lot of folks see=
m to be of the impression that 'wireless is all we need', but I regularly h=
ave to connect physically to get reasonable latency and throughput. From a =
bandwidth perspective, switching to wireless-only is basically the same as =
replacing switches with half-duplex hubs.
Sure, wireless is convenient, and it's great for casual email/browsing=
/remote access users (including, unfortunately, the managers who tend to ma=
ke these decisions). Those of us who need to move chunks of data around or =
who rely on low-latency responsiveness find themselves marginalized in wire=
less-only settings. For instance: RDP, SSH, and X11 over even moderately bu=
sy wireless connections are often barely usable, and waiting an hour for a =
600MB Debian ISO seems very... 1997.
- Marc Doughty
"If you aren't sure who is the give-way vessel, you are the give-way vessel=
."
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:01 AM, resnet <resnet@uark.edu<mailto:resnet@uar=
k.edu>> wrote:
Hello everyone,
We are evaluating a possible change to our network services on campus. Spe=
cifically, we are looking to change the way we deliver network to our stude=
nts from mainly a wired network to wireless in our residence halls. I woul=
d appreciate it if you could take about 3 minutes to do a survey on how you=
r institution is providing network services to your students. I want to ha=
ve some statistics to show management so that they are able to make an info=
rmed decision.
Thank you for your time.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GYBHRMM
______________________________
Matthew Rose
System Administrator
University of Arkansas
Housing Department
mdrose@uark.edu<mailto:mdrose@uark.edu>
(479)575-3951<tel:%28479%29575-3951>
StrengthsQuest
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The problem with the wire=
d connection is 98% of our students won’t use it. We had every =
room wired and the students still wanted wireless. Waste of money to
keep installing network jacks and switches when there not being used. We e=
ven explained how wireless works and why it is slower and they basically re=
fused to use the wired. Their statements are that they use wireless a=
t home and it works great there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-------------------------=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Greg Duffin<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Systems Manager<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Information Technology Se=
rvices<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gannon University<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">109 University Square<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Erie, PA 16541<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(814) 871-7583<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
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libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Resnet F=
orum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Wolf<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Survey on ResNet Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would second Marc’=
;s comments. Our IT management decided that we would try a test case =
in one large dorm at the beginning of school year. We carefully surve=
yed
and installed additional AP’s to get to a reasonable user/radio rati=
o (10-12 per AP.) and turned down the wired side. Let’s j=
ust say that I’m glad that wired access was still available…<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Streaming audio, video an=
d gaming, plus all the regular browsing has made the wireless in that dorm =
problematic. Yes, we could block some of these services
to make it better on the wireless, but adding restrictions to everyday com=
mon usage seems to be going backwards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Leaving the gaming and sp=
ecific high bandwidth wired devices on the wired network is a much preferre=
d solution for us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In my humble opinion, kno=
wing what I do of electronics and radio; wireless will never be faster than=
a wired (copper or fiber) solution. There is simply too
much contention involved to use strictly wireless. Again; my opinion=
. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(one of these days, someo=
ne will probably figure out that all these high GHz radios in close proximi=
ty to student’s beds tends to cook brain tissue, causes
tumors, or health issues; the more we add, the worse it will become. =
Then what will we do?!?! I always carry a candy bar in my pocket when work=
ing in the dorms!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Andrew Wolf<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Linfield College<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Resnet F=
orum [<a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.=
ND.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Doughty, Marc<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND=
.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Survey on ResNet Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Greetings,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> I just wanted to weigh-in on thi=
s idea. I know that a lot of folks seem to be of the impression that 'wirel=
ess is all we need', but I regularly have to connect physically to get reas=
onable latency and throughput. From a bandwidth perspective,
switching to wireless-only is basically the same as replacing switches wit=
h half-duplex hubs.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> Sure, wireless is convenient, an=
d it's great for casual email/browsing/remote access users (including, unfo=
rtunately, the managers who tend to make these decisions). Those of us who =
need to move chunks of data around or who rely on
low-latency responsiveness find themselves marginalized in wireless-only s=
ettings. For instance: RDP, SSH, and X11 over even moderately busy wireless=
connections are often barely usable, and waiting an hour for a 600MB Debia=
n ISO seems very... 1997.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
- Marc Doughty<br>
"If you aren't sure who is the give-way vessel, you are the give-way v=
essel."<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:01 AM, resnet <<a href=
=3D"mailto:resnet@uark.edu" target=3D"_blank">resnet@uark.edu</a>> wrote=
:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Hello everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">We are evaluating a possible change to our network services on cam=
pus. Specifically, we are looking to change the way we deliver networ=
k to our students from mainly a wired network
to wireless in our residence halls. I would appreciate it if you cou=
ld take about 3 minutes to do a survey on how your institution is providing=
network services to your students. I want to have some statistics to=
show management so that they are able to
make an informed decision. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Thank you for your time.  =
;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><a href=3D"https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GYBHRMM" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GYBHRMM</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">______________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Matthew Rose
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">System Administrator<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">University of Arkansas
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Housing Department<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><a href=3D"mailto:mdrose@uark.edu" target=3D"_blank">mdrose@uark.e=
du</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><a href=3D"tel:%28479%29575-3951" target=3D"_blank">(479)575-3951<=
/a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">StrengthsQuest<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Analytical - Deliberative - Focus - Responsibility - Consistency<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:135.3p=
t;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">
<span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green">P</span><=
span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-seri=
f"">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","=
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c</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tah=
oma","sans-serif";color:green">essary. Think Gre=
en!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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