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Re: issues in wireless Only rooms
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Peter P Morrissey)
Fri Apr 1 08:32:07 2011
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We don't have any wireless only because we already had decent wired in the =
dorms, so we just left it running.
I can answer some of the questions though.
1. It is rare for us to have a wired support issue. We also find that=
wireless in general, is much harder to support than wired due to the fact =
that clients don't always behave (mostly apple devices) drivers are often n=
ot updated, and there are issues with interference from rogue devices. We h=
ave gotten very good at tracking down rogues and getting them removed, but =
it is extra support.
2. N/A
3. We have found that only about 15-20% of the ports are used in wire=
d and wireless rooms. The biggest issue are things like PS3's, Tivo's, Roku=
s', Flat screen TV's and BlueRay players that now come with Ethernet connec=
tion and the list goes on and on. The problem is that we use 802.1x and non=
e of these devices support it so we just tell people to plug in. I think th=
ere are probably some gamers who want every possible edge in latency who al=
so plug in their computers. The other issue you will run into is wireless p=
rinters. If you haven't had wireless there before, then you might not have =
noticed but must printers now seem to come with WiFi and not one of them su=
pports 802.1x. During opening last fall we just bought a couple of hundred =
long usb cables for about 2.00 a piece and gave them to people who had a pr=
oblem with that.
Pete M.
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of SHIH, WEN=
DY
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:10 PM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: issues in wireless Only rooms
Hi,
Since wireless is the hot topic of the week...
We still have many buildings have wired connection only. But from this com=
ing August, we will provide wireless connection only in student rooms due =
to the aging switches and the replacement cost will be too high on top of =
the wireless installation. We plan to install only a handful of switches,=
so users will have to request it and let us know why they need a wired con=
nection.
To prepare ahead, I would like to know:
1. Do you have more wireless support issues than wired issues at the begin=
ning of the semester?
2. If you only provide wireless, what kind of common issues do you encou=
nter? Do users complain about no ethernet ports?
2. If you still have both wired and wireless in rooms, please let me know =
why users won't use wireless and the percentage of devices on wired ports. =
Are they connected to ethernet only because their desktop or consoles don'=
t have the wireless built-in or because of other reasons such as speed and =
reliability?
Thank you all in advance.
Wendy
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mal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:#1F497D'>We don’t have any wireless only because we already had dec=
ent wired in the dorms, so we just left it running.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I can answer some of the questions though.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-=
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p; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is rare for us to h=
ave a wired support issue. We also find that wireless in general, is much h=
arder to support than wired due to the fact that clients don’t always=
behave (mostly apple devices) drivers are often not updated, and there are=
issues with interference from rogue devices. We have gotten very good at t=
racking down rogues and getting them removed, but it is extra support.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt=
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bsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 le=
vel1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
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pan style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> &n=
bsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have found that only about 15=
-20% of the ports are used in wired and wireless rooms. The biggest issue a=
re things like PS3’s, Tivo’s, Rokus’, Flat screen TV̵=
7;s and BlueRay players that now come with Ethernet connection and the list=
goes on and on. The problem is that we use 802.1x and none of these device=
s support it so we just tell people to plug in. I think there are probably =
some gamers who want every possible edge in latency who also plug in their =
computers. The other issue you will run into is wireless printers. If you h=
aven’t had wireless there before, then you might not have noticed but=
must printers now seem to come with WiFi and not one of them supports 802.=
1x. During opening last fall we just bought a couple of hundred long usb ca=
bles for about 2.00 a piece and gave them to people who had a problem with =
that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pete M.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
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rif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:n=
one;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif=
"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sa=
ns-serif"'> Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>SHIH, WENDY<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:10 PM<br><b>To:<=
/b> RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> issues in wireless Only roo=
ms<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p><=
/p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans=
-serif";color:black'>Since wireless is the hot topic of the week…<o:p=
></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;fon=
t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>We still have many buildings h=
ave wired connection only. But from this coming August, we will  =
;provide wireless connection only in student rooms due to the aging switche=
s and the replacement cost will be too high on top of the wireless in=
stallation. We plan to install only a handful of switches, so u=
sers will have to request it and let us know why they need a wired connecti=
on.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>To prepare ahead, I wou=
ld like to know:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'=
font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>1. D=
o you have more wireless support issues than wired issues at the beginning =
of the semester?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>=
2. If you only provide wireless, what kind of common issues do=
you encounter? Do users complain about no ethernet ports?<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt=
;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2. If you still have=
both wired and wireless in rooms, please let me know why users won't use w=
ireless and the percentage of devices on wired ports. Are they connec=
ted to ethernet only because their desktop or consoles don't have the wirel=
ess built-in or because of other reasons such as speed and reliability?<o:p=
></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;fon=
t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you all in advance.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font=
-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Wendy<o:p></o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sa=
ns-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&=
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