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Re: new construction IT planning
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (McHugh, Noel)
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Thanks for the responses with the great information. This is very helpful =
as we plan our new buildings.
I really appreciate this list and the resnet community's willingness to sha=
re useful information!
Cheers,
Noel McHugh
Residential IT Manager
The Evergreen State College
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Swenson, =
Chris
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:29 PM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: new construction IT planning
We have built a Res Hall every 2 or 3 years for the last 15 or so.
I will put my take in line below.
Chris Swenson
Network Manager
Curry College
www.curry.edu<http://www.curry.edu>
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of McHugh, N=
oel
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:09 PM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
Subject: new construction IT planning
This winter/spring we will work with an architecture firm to plan two new r=
esidence halls here at Evergreen (~500 residents) to open in 2019.
I know some of this has been covered in some recent threads, but I'd love t=
o hear feedback on my initial pre-planning IT thoughts before our budget fo=
lks tell me to start cutting things out. What am I missing? Where am I of=
f base? Where should I stick to my guns on this plan and where should I co=
mpromise for our fiscal reality?
* Wired ports
o one port per pillow.
o oversubscribe switches - purchase switches to connect 25% of wired port=
s, connect ports as requested only. Make sure IDF rack is only 25% full.
* WiFi
o Install one ceiling drop per room. Good idea
o Likely install one AP every 2-3 rooms depending on size, but have enoug=
h infrastructure for future expansion and easy reconfiguration of AP locati=
ons.
o Work with current vendor (Aruba) sales engineers to pre-plan WiFi, but =
have enough
Try to get the real CAD drawings for the Aruba techs, not just floor plans.=
Make sure you beat them around the ears on rooms that are orphaned by 8 in=
ch concrete filled block walls that may be neglected.
Do you have redundant controller's yet?
* POTS (my area of greatest uncertainty)
o Current halls have wired phone jacks in each room. Residents call Cent=
ury Link to get a phone. (we have our own pbx but are in the process of dec=
ommissioning student extensions with no plans to replace them)
o Cell service on our wooded campus is marginal, but still most people do=
n't get landlines. (phone calls over wireless is happening) and they are us=
ing soft phones.
o Don't want to install a bunch of infrastructure that won't be used, but=
having trouble imagining no option for residents to purchase landline. Gam=
e out a soft phone or VoIP plan.
o Could we dual purpose wired ports to a telco demarcation point? Experi=
ence with local telco is that communication with install techs is virtually=
impossible.
We did not bother with pots in the last 2 new buildings. They were suite s=
tyle buildings so we installed 1 VoIP phone in common areas per suite.
Our cell service is flakey because the hills around campus and the thick co=
ncrete walls. They have to build so things hold up to something like a 8.3=
I think earthquake.
* Cell Service
o Would love to host multi-network cell tower or small cell on new buildi=
ng, not sure of feasibility here.
* CATV
o Install coax to each lounge area for HD TV lounges. We did this.
o Don't see installing coax to bedrooms even though a handful of students=
are still purchasing their own cable modems for higher speed internet than=
we provide.
We still installed coax in rooms, but after we finish upgrading our multimo=
de fiber to single mode and switches in 2 or 3 years I see it being abandon=
ed.
* Other areas I'm missing?
Generators to keep VoIP phones up. buffered by UPS's that are generator saf=
e.
Thanks for any feedback and advice as we get ready for this exciting new pr=
oject!
Noel McHugh
Residential IT Manager
The Evergreen State College
www.evergreen.edu/housing/new<http://www.evergreen.edu/housing/new>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for the respons=
es with the great information. This is very helpful as we plan our ne=
w buildings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I really appreciate th=
is list and the resnet community’s willingness to share useful inform=
ation!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Noel McHugh<br>
Residential IT Manager <br>
The Evergreen State College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
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</b>Swenson, Chris<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 18, 2016 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: new construction IT planning<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We have built a Res Ha=
ll every 2 or 3 years for the last 15 or so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I will put my take in =
line below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Chris Swenson<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Network Manager<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Curry College<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"http://www.=
curry.edu">www.curry.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>McHugh, Noel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 18, 2016 2:09 PM<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This winter/spring we will work with an architecture=
firm to plan two new residence halls here at Evergreen (~500 residents) to=
open in 2019.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I know some of this has been covered in some recent =
threads, but I’d love to hear feedback on my initial pre-planning IT =
thoughts before our budget folks tell me to start cutting things out. =
What am I missing? Where am I off base? Where
should I stick to my guns on this plan and where should I compromise for o=
ur fiscal reality?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list=
:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""=
>
</span></span></span><![endif]>Wired ports<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-=
space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Ro=
man"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>one port per pillow.<span style=3D"color:#1F=
497D"> </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-=
space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Ro=
man"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>oversubscribe switches - purchase switches t=
o connect 25% of wired ports, connect ports as requested only. Make s=
ure IDF rack is only 25% full.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""=
>
</span></span></span><![endif]>WiFi<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-=
space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Ro=
man"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>Install one ceiling drop per room. <sp=
an style=3D"color:red">
Good idea</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-=
space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Ro=
man"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>Likely install one AP every 2-3 rooms depend=
ing on size, but have enough infrastructure for future expansion and easy r=
econfiguration of AP locations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-sp=
ace:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Ro=
man"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>Work with current vendor (Aruba) sales engin=
eers to pre-plan WiFi, but have enough
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"color:red=
">Try to get the real CAD drawings for the Aruba techs, not just floor plan=
s. Make sure you beat them around the ears on rooms that are orphaned by 8 =
inch concrete filled block walls that
may be neglected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"color:red=
">Do you have redundant controller’s yet?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list=
:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""=
>
</span></span></span><![endif]>POTS (my area of greatest uncertainty)<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-=
space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New";col=
or:red"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Ti=
mes New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>Current halls have wired phone jacks in each=
room. Residents call Century Link to get a phone.<span style=3D"colo=
r:#1F497D">
</span><span style=3D"color:red">(we have our own pbx but are in the proces=
s of decommissioning student extensions with no plans to replace them)<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-=
space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Ro=
man"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>Cell service on our wooded campus is margina=
l, but still most people don’t get landlines.<span style=3D"color:#1F=
497D">
</span><span style=3D"color:red">(phone calls over wireless is happening) a=
nd they are using soft phones.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-=
space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Ro=
man"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>Don’t want to install a bunch of infra=
structure that won’t be used, but having trouble imagining no option =
for residents to purchase landline.<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"> Game out =
a soft phone or VoIP plan.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-sp=
ace:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Ro=
man"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>Could we dual purpose wired ports to a telco=
demarcation point? Experience with local telco is that communication=
with install techs is virtually impossible.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"color:red=
">We did not bother with pots in the last 2 new buildings. They were =
suite style buildings so we installed 1 VoIP phone in common areas per suit=
e.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"color:red=
">Our cell service is flakey because the hills around campus and the thick =
concrete walls. They have to build so things hold up to something lik=
e a 8.3 I think earthquake.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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:l0 level1 lfo2">
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Cell Service<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Would love to host multi-network cell tower =
or small cell on new building, not sure of feasibility here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Install coax to each lounge area for HD TV l=
ounges.<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">
</span><span style=3D"color:red">We did this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Don’t see installing coax to bedrooms =
even though a handful of students are still purchasing their own cable mode=
ms for higher speed internet than we provide.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"color:red=
">We still installed coax in rooms, but after we finish upgrading our multi=
mode fiber to single mode and switches in 2 or 3 years I see it being aband=
oned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Other areas I’m missing?<o:p></o:p></p=
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>Generators to keep VoIP phones up. buffered by UPS’s that are genera=
tor safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for any feedback and advice as we get ready f=
or this exciting new project!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Noel McHugh<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Residential IT Manager<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Evergreen State College<o:p></o:p></p>
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