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Re: Wireless SSID Name
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Andy Voelker)
Tue Mar 26 12:19:27 2013
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We have three:
"WCU" : main network, students, faculty, staff. It routes to difference vl=
ans depending on classification. This is done by AD group membership.
"WCU Guest" : guest access. For guest lecturers, contractors, parents, etc=
. Used for conferences and events too. Supplies web internet access only,=
no on-campus resources that aren't available externally.
"WCU-NetworkSetup" : a captive portal that hosts CloudPath XpressConnect, a=
configuration tool for 802.1x. Highly recommended if you use 1x. Doesn't=
solve all your problems, but does a good job.
That being said he have thought about the idea of changing the "WCU" networ=
k to a "WCU" and "WCU-HighSpeed" or something similar. The HighSpeed would=
be a 802.11 N network only on the 5GHz band. It would get more devices th=
at can't make smart decisions about which network to choose on the cleaner,=
faster band. It would also educate users a little on the capabilities of =
their devices. Can't you just hear people saying "Well, why can't I see th=
e HighSpeed network?" and your joyful reply of "Didn't you pay $400 for th=
at laptop six years ago? Time for an upgrade." We still have a ton of iP=
ads that, for whatever reason, keep getting on 802.11a and we have no optio=
n to change it. We also have tons of PCs that get on N using 2.4, yet are =
5GHz capable. Craziness, right?
Thoughts?
-- Andy Voelker
Manager of Student Computing in the Technology Commons
WCU Staff Senator, UNC Staff Assembly
Western Carolina University
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Gary Doug=
las
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:19 AM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: Wireless SSID Name
We run three SSID's at WIU; WIU-SECURE, WIU-GUEST, and WIU-SETUP. It is the=
same across all campuses. This allows roaming. If they join in on ResNet t=
hey get a different IP then Campus. This ResNet IP has different restrictio=
ns placed on it.
Thank you
Gary Douglas, CCNP, CCSP, CCNA Wireless, CEH
(309) 298-3089
Technology Security Specialist
Western Illinois University
On Mar 21, 2013, at Mar 21, 201311:30 PM, Koerber, Jeff wrote:
We have tu-guest, tu-secure and Eduroam. All are broadcast throughout campu=
s. Tu-secure makes students go through Cisco NAC (not that I am endorsing =
that product) and Fac/staff connect directly to the network. We are thinki=
ng about migrating tu-secure to Eduroam and the network would give proper a=
ccess depending on if the person is faculty, staff, or a student.
Jeff Koerber
Supervisor, Student Computing Services Lab & Service Desk
Towson University
Towson, MD
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:46 PM, "Jeff Kell" <jeff-kell@UTC.EDU<mailto:jeff-kel=
l@UTC.EDU>> wrote:
We currently have a UTC (legacy open, cleartext), UTC-Secure
(WPA2/Enterprise), UTC-Secure-Setup (portal for XpressConnect setup),
and a UTC-VIP which is a WPA2/PSK with a periodically changing password
for "emergency guest access". We also provide eduroam.
The secured wireless authenticates from AD, so we can't push guests
there. UTC is linked with Bradford, if you're not a registered device,
you get a registration portal. We use their guest/contractor
provisioning bits to provide guest / contractor / conference access, and
there are a number of users that can create guests. The new software
allows "self-service" guest account requests, but we haven't explored it
too far yet, it still requires some interaction on the other end. Thus
the -VIP variant, you can just give them the password.
We're looking at integrating the Secure-Setup with the regular UTC
registration portal so we can eliminate that SSID. You don't want too
many beacons (transmitting at low data rates) eating up airtime... plus
the (at least Aruba) overhead of tunneling each SSID back to the
controller separately.
There is the never ending request for "Starbucks" style open access,
just join and go, but so far we have resisted (CALEA et al). If there
was some legal means to validate more open access, we would probably
follow suit.
VIP and eduroam are subject to protocol/port limitations (we followed
the eduroam guidelines for essential services), and we also restrict
their bandwidth. Users (real ones or guests) will migrate to the path
of least resistance, so the easier it is to obtain access, we try to
make the experience suck "just enough" relative to "legitimate" access
to encourage official registration whenever possible.
Jeff
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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have t=
hree:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“WCU” : main network, stude=
nts, faculty, staff. It routes to difference vlans depending on class=
ification. This is done by AD group membership.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:=
#1F497D'>“WCU Guest” : guest access. For guest lecturers,=
contractors, parents, etc. Used for conferences and events too. =
; Supplies web internet access only, no on-campus resources that aren’=
;t available externally.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“WCU-NetworkSe=
tup” : a captive portal that hosts CloudPath XpressConnect, a configu=
ration tool for 802.1x. Highly recommended if you use 1x. Doesn=
’t solve all your problems, but does a good job.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color=
:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That bein=
g said he have thought about the idea of changing the “WCU” net=
work to a “WCU” and “WCU-HighSpeed” or something si=
milar. The HighSpeed would be a 802.11 N network only on the 5GHz ban=
d. It would get more devices that can’t make smart decisions ab=
out which network to choose on the cleaner, faster band. It would als=
o educate users a little on the capabilities of their devices. Can=
217;t you just hear people saying “Well, why can’t I see the Hi=
ghSpeed network?” and your joyful reply of “Didn’t =
you pay $400 for that laptop six years ago? Time for an upgrade.̶=
1; We still have a ton of iPads that, for whatever reason, keep=
getting on 802.11a and we have no option to change it. We also have =
tons of PCs that get on N using 2.4, yet are 5GHz capable. Craziness,=
right? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
color:#1F497D'>-- Andy Voelker<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D'>Manager of Student Computing in the Technology Commons<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>WCU Staff Senator, UNC Staff Assembly<o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Western Carolina University<o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></sp=
an></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;paddin=
g:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET=
-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Douglas<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday=
, March 25, 2013 9:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> Re: Wireless SSID Name<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>We run three SSID's at =
WIU; WIU-SECURE, WIU-GUEST, and WIU-SETUP. It is the same across all campus=
es. This allows roaming. If they join in on ResNet they get a different IP =
then Campus. This ResNet IP has different restrictions placed on it. <=
o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'=
font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Than=
k you<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Gary Doug=
las, CCNP, CCSP, CCNA Wireless, CEH<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans=
-serif";color:black'>(309) 298-3089<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans=
-serif";color:black'>Technology Security Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"=
Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Western Illinois University<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Mar 21, 2013, at Mar 21, 201311:30 PM, Koerber=
, Jeff wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p><=
/p><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>We have tu-guest, tu-secure and Eduroam. All are broadcast thr=
oughout campus. Tu-secure makes students go through Cisco NAC (not th=
at I am endorsing that product) and Fac/staff connect directly to the netwo=
rk. We are thinking about migrating tu-secure to Eduroam and the netw=
ork would give proper access depending on if the person is faculty, staff, =
or a student. <br><br>Jeff Koerber<br>Supervisor, Student Computing Service=
s Lab & Service Desk<br>Towson University <br>Towson, MD<br><br>Sent fr=
om my iPhone<br><br>On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:46 PM, "Jeff Kell" <=
<a href=3D"mailto:jeff-kell@UTC.EDU">jeff-kell@UTC.EDU</a>> wrote:<br><b=
r><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>We currently have a UTC (legacy open, cleartext),=
UTC-Secure<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0p=
t;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>(WPA2/Enterprise), UTC-Secure-S=
etup (portal for XpressConnect setup),<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquo=
te style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>and =
a UTC-VIP which is a WPA2/PSK with a periodically changing password<o:p></o=
:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0=
pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>for "emergency guest access". We a=
lso provide eduroam.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin=
-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><=
/blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal>The secured wireless authenticates from AD, so we can't pu=
sh guests<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;=
margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>there. UTC is linked with B=
radford, if you're not a registered device,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blo=
ckquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>you get a registration portal. We use their guest/contractor<o:p></o=
:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0=
pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>provisioning bits to provide guest / contractor / =
conference access, and<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'marg=
in-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>there are a number o=
f users that can create guests. The new software<o:p></o:p></p></bloc=
kquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>allows "self-service" guest account requests, but we=
haven't explored it<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin=
-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>too far yet, it still =
requires some interaction on the other end. Thus<o:p></o:p></p></bloc=
kquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>the -VIP variant, you can just give them the password. <o:p></=
o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote sty=
le=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>We're look=
ing at integrating the Secure-Setup with the regular UTC<o:p></o:p></p></bl=
ockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal>registration portal so we can eliminate that SSID. You =
don't want too<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5=
.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>many beacons (transmitting a=
t low data rates) eating up airtime... plus<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blo=
ckquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>the (at least Aruba) overhead of tunneling each SSID back to the<o:p></o:p=
></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt=
'><p class=3DMsoNormal>controller separately.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><b=
lockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;=
margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>There is the never ending request=
for "Starbucks" style open access,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><b=
lockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>just join and go, but so far we have resisted (CALEA et al). If th=
ere<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin=
-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>was some legal means to validate more o=
pen access, we would probably<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=
=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>follow suit.=
<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bo=
ttom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockqu=
ote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>VIP=
and eduroam are subject to protocol/port limitations (we followed<o:p></o:=
p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0p=
t'><p class=3DMsoNormal>the eduroam guidelines for essential services), and=
we also restrict<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-to=
p:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>their bandwidth. Us=
ers (real ones or guests) will migrate to the path<o:p></o:p></p></blockquo=
te><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMs=
oNormal>of least resistance, so the easier it is to obtain access, we try t=
o<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-b=
ottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>make the experience suck "just enoug=
h" relative to "legitimate" access<o:p></o:p></p></blockquot=
e><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMso=
Normal>to encourage official registration whenever possible.<o:p></o:p></p>=
</blockquote><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D'ma=
rgin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jeff<o:p></o:p></p=
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