[870] in UA Senate
Re: Re: Agenda for 42 UAS 4
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (thebigal1@gmail.com)
Sun Oct 24 15:46:31 2010
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.1010241532270.31213@dr-wily.mit.edu>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:46:28 +0000
From: thebigal1@gmail.com
To: Rachel E Meyer <remeyer@mit.edu>
Cc: Allan Miramonti <allanm@mit.edu>, Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>,
"Adam Bockelie (UA History Committee Chair)" <ua-history-chairs@mit.edu>,
ua-senate-officers@mit.edu, ua-senate@mit.edu
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Grumble grumble... get off my lawn<br /><br />On Oct 24, 2010 3:40pm, Rache=
l E Meyer <remeyer@mit.edu> wrote:<br />> Before we get all up in =
arms... I agree that when we have formal guests laptops are out of place. =
=A0I realize this isn't clear in the bill, but my intention was for it =
to apply to the actual meeting part of the meeting - topic discussions, leg=
islative debates, etc.<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> I'm n=
ot sure if that would be best addressed by adding a qualifying clause to on=
e of the that clauses or adding an additional that clause, but I'll thi=
nk about it.<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> -Rachel<br />> <=
br />> <br />> <br />> On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Allan Miramonti wrote:=
<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> I agree wholehearted=
ly, there are clearly times when having your laptop out in front of you is =
just plain rude (namely when we have guest speakers.)=A0 I can't<br />&=
gt; <br />> abide by any legislation that condones disrespectful behavio=
r towards our guests.<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> -Al<br />&=
gt; <br />> <br />> <br />> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Alexa=
ndra Jordan amjordan@mit.edu> wrote:<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0my=
only question/concern is in regards to laptops when speakers are here. i t=
hink we should be able to use them during all other points in the<br />>=
<br />> =A0 =A0 =A0meeting, but it's rude to use them when someone=
is taking time to come talk to us. the bill would be more productive if it=
had clearer terms, such<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0as: members of se=
nate can use laptops at all times except during a presentation from a guest=
speaker. something like that. maybe with a provision<br />> <br />> =
=A0 =A0 =A0for special circumstances, such as a closed session or somethin=
g.<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0_________________=
__________________<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0Alexandra Jordan<br />&=
gt; <br />> <br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0MIT 2011<br />> <br />&=
gt; =A0 =A0 =A0Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science<br />> <br />&=
gt; =A0 =A0 =A0Political Science<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />>=
; =A0 =A0 =A0amjordan@mit.edu<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0916.813.774=
0<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />&g=
t; <br />> <br />> <br />> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Rachel=
E Meyer remeyer@mit.edu> wrote:<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0I'=
m aware, but I wrote another bill because it is an issue again and the pres=
iding officers weren't responsive to my attempts to start less<br />>=
; <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0formal discussions on this.<br />> <br />> <=
br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0Additionally, I'd probably be for addi=
ng a "for the remainder of this session" clause like I put in the=
minutes bill. =A0Next year if the<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0Speaker=
/Vice-Speaker don't want laptops used and the Senators don't disagr=
ee then that's fine. =A0I just don't think that's the case this=
year.<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0If people hav=
e other points or questions about either 4.3 or 4.4 let me know or reply al=
l. =A0I think they're fairly straightforward so it makes<br />> <br =
/>> =A0 =A0 =A0more sense to address any questions/comments than to exp=
lain everything out.<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =
=A0-Rachel<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />>=
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Adam Bockelie (UA History Committee Chair) wrote:<br =
/>> <br />> <br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A042 UAS 4.4 (laptops) ha=
s basically already been passed. =A0see 39 UAS 4.8 []<br />> <br />> =
<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0On 10/23/2010 10:45 PM, Jont=E9 Craighead=
(UA Speaker) wrote:<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hi, every=
one:<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Ple=
ase find linked below the agenda for 42 UAS 4. We will not have a<br />>=
<br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0guest speaker this week.<br />> <br =
/>> <br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://web.mit.edu/ua/=
senate/UAS42/agendas/2010-10-25.pdf<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />&=
gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0You will likely notice a few changes in the age=
nda, which I have<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0outlined bel=
ow/:<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/<br />> <br />> <b=
r />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0* *Suggested times for b=
usiness on the agenda*<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0o Since the agenda is never formally adopted by Senate, a call<=
br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0for the=
"Orders of the Day" is never in order according to<br />> <br=
/>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Roberts' Rules. =
I have included a note on the agenda this<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0week to make this clear, but this should=
be implicit with<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0any agenda submitted going forward. Our agenda stands only<br />=
> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0to establish=
the order of items at the meeting in accordance<br />> <br />> =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0with the Bylaws.<br />> <br />=
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0* *Discussion follows all scheduled bus=
iness*<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0o Ba=
sed on feedback, we decided to try this measure this week<br />> <br />&=
gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(it has been done in the=
past). Everyone should be aware<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0that having discussion at the end of the meeting =
can<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0dis=
courage direct student feedback--it can quite often be<br />> <br />>=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0too late to reasonably expe=
ct other students to attend.<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0* *New Business section prior to open discussion*<br />> <br />&g=
t; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0o The Bylaws do not specifica=
lly prohibit new business at<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0meetings. As a result, we have explicitly added a se=
ction<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0w=
here members may introduce new main motions that did not<br />> <br />&g=
t; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0make the agenda. Given th=
at Senators should solicit feedback<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0from their constituents before voting, I woul=
d strongly<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0discourage the introduction of legislation that others' have<br />&=
gt; <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0not had the p=
roper time to read and consider. To introduce<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0new business, simply introduce a mot=
ion before we move into<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0discussion mode.<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />&=
gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Please let me know if you have any questions--I=
expect that these<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0changes wil=
l help Senate run more smoothly, but I would very much like<br />> <br /=
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0to hear any opinions to the contrary.<br />&g=
t; <br />> <br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Thanks,<br />&g=
t; <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Jont=E9 Craighead<br />> <br />>=
; <br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Speaker of the Senate<br />=
> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0MIT Undergraduate Association<br />=
> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Course 1C: Class of 2013<br />> =
<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0--<br />=
> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0Adam Bockelie<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0=
801.209.7233<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0ua-history-chairs@mit.edu>=
<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0MIT Undergraduate A=
ssociation<br />> <br />> =A0 =A0 =A0Chair, Committee on History<br =
/>> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <b=
r />> <br />> <br />>
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