[832] in UA Senate
Re: athena printing committee
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Betsy Riley)
Sun Oct 17 23:20:24 2010
From: "Betsy Riley" <rileyb@MIT.EDU>
To: Owen C Derby <oderby@mit.edu>
CC: Michael E Plasmeier <theplaz@mit.edu>, Daniel D Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu>,
Richard A Dahan <rdahan@mit.edu>,
"ua-senate@mit.edu" <ua-senate@mit.edu>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 23:20:20 -0400
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Okay. When Oliver Thomas came to speak at Senate, he talked about the Phase=
I projects that were completed over the summer but also spent a lot of tim=
e discussing potential changes to printing that will be explored this semes=
ter. These changes extended beyond the issues of Athena spaces and 24/7 stu=
dy rooms, including multi-function printers, printers designated for certai=
n jobs, and printing straight from sites like Stellar. Looking at the repor=
ts you sent me, many of these ideas have already been proposed, but Thomas =
said that IS&T wants to test them out and will therefore need lots of stude=
nt feedback.
Since printing is such an integral part of the MIT undergraduate education,=
and since this semester will demand a lot of coordination with IS&T to ens=
ure a final printing system that is appealing to students, it seems prudent=
to form a new committee devoted exclusively to printing. Furthermore, sinc=
e Vrajesh suggested that an ad hoc committee on printing be formed, I figur=
ed that no existing committee has the capacity to take on the issue of prin=
ting right now given that we need to resolve all printing issues by the end=
of the semester.
Lastly, Thomas's enthusiasm for student input is something that we want to =
cultivate. Having a committee working exclusively with him, therefore, make=
s it more likely that we will maintain a positive relationship with him and=
establish a trend of exemplary UA work. I'm worried about the possibility =
of printing getting shafted if it's just added to CSL's list of goals, whic=
h would be a shame and embarrassing given that Thomas, unlike most administ=
rators, is actually asking for UA input.
Betsy
On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:04 AM, Owen Derby wrote:
tl;dr: The UA Committee for Student Life has been working on printing since=
last year and will continue to work on it this year. CSL would welcome any=
and all input from senate into how it should proceed.
Betsy,
I meant to bring this up at retreat, but I don't think I did. If you want t=
o set goals and see progress on this issue, you would be better off tasking=
CSL with this than creating an ad hoc committee to do what CSL is already =
working on.
Also, it might be a good idea to establish some sort of goals in this bill.=
What do you hope to achieve with this committee (regardless of who is runn=
ing it)? This bill is not very clear on this front.
- Owen
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Michael E Plasmeier <theplaz@mit.edu<mail=
to:theplaz@mit.edu>> wrote:
Hi Betsy and the UA Senate,
I am the UA rep on the Institute's Athena and Printing Committee. I worked=
extensively on the printing issue along with Daniel Hawkins and Richard Da=
han in CSL on this issue last year. We did a lot of work and thinking on t=
his issue. We conducted a survey and talked for weeks about what the best =
options would be. We put together our suggestions into an 11 page report a=
nd PowerPoint presentation. Because we completed our work at the end of th=
e year, without time for Senate approval, and because the Committee was on =
the same page with the UA, and decided to implement our printing suggestion=
s this past summer anyway, we did not publish our report. Many of our reco=
mmendations are already complete.
Outline of printing recommendations:
-buy new printers - Complete
-unify model for Athena and dorm printing support - Complete
-Pharos printing system - last I heard the Institute was going to do this
-2,000 page/semester quota to limit the top ~5% of printers, CopyTech cours=
e readers included - think they are going to do this, CopyTech part questio=
nable
The Institute Committee, which Oliver de facto leads, has not met this year=
. I've sent the committee an email asking if there were any open issues th=
ey wished to reconvene on. The remaining issue that is open under our char=
ter is a reconfiguration of the Athena spaces. Hawkins, Richard, and I had=
proposed closing the disused clusters 38-370, 37-332, 4-166, 2-225, 2-032 =
and replace them with nearby quickstations with printers. In addition, MIT=
should move all of the book out of Barker 5th floor and lock up the books =
on Hayden 1st floor and open those spaces 24/7 with a bump in computers and=
group study rooms. Barker, Hayden, and 5th Floor Student Center would bec=
ome integrated study neighborhoods with a mix of computers, individual stud=
y, and group study. The committee has not shown any momentum in moving for=
ward with anything. What do you think is a better option? Status quo or w=
hat we proposed?
In any case I think any work on this issue can be handled inside of CSL, as=
it has been. I extend an invitation to Betsy and whoever else wishes to j=
oin me on the issue to work with me inside of the existing framework. Also=
, as for moving forward with the Institute committee: if the consensus is t=
hat status quo is better, we can leave sleeping dragons lying, but if peopl=
e actual prefer the 24/7 library space, I can push that issue if need be. =
I welcome feedback.
-Michael Plasmeier
-----Original Message-----
From: Betsy Riley [mailto:rileyb@MIT.EDU<mailto:rileyb@MIT.EDU>]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:38 PM
To: ua-senate@mit.edu<mailto:ua-senate@mit.edu>
Subject: athena printing committee
Hello -
As I said I would, I have written a bill to create an ad hoc committee to e=
xamine changes to Athena printing, provide a mechanism for student input ab=
out printing, and ensure that student ideas are implemented or at least app=
ropriately considered. Let me know what you think, if you think anything sh=
ould be changed, etc.
Thanks,
Betsy
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:=
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Okay. When Oliver Thomas c=
ame to speak at Senate, he talked about the Phase I projects that were comp=
leted over the summer but also spent a lot of time discussing potential cha=
nges to printing that will be explored this semester. These changes extende=
d beyond the issues of Athena spaces and 24/7 study rooms, including multi-=
function printers, printers designated for certain jobs, and printing strai=
ght from sites like Stellar. Looking at the reports you sent me, many of th=
ese ideas have already been proposed, but Thomas said that IS&T wants t=
o test them out and will therefore need lots of student feedback.<div><br><=
div>Since printing is such an integral part of the MIT undergraduate educat=
ion, and since this semester will demand a lot of coordination with IS&=
T to ensure a final printing system that is appealing to students, it seems=
prudent to form a new committee devoted exclusively to printing. Furthermo=
re, since Vrajesh suggested that an ad hoc committee on printing be formed,=
I figured that no existing committee has the capacity to take on the issue=
of printing right now given that we need to resolve all printing issues by=
the end of the semester.</div><div><br></div><div>Lastly, Thomas's enthusi=
asm for student input is something that we want to cultivate. Having a comm=
ittee working exclusively with him, therefore, makes it more likely that we=
will maintain a positive relationship with him and establish a trend of ex=
emplary UA work. I'm worried about the possibility of printing getting shaf=
ted if it's just added to CSL's list of goals, which would be a shame =
and embarrassing given that Thomas, unlike most administrators, is actually=
asking for UA input. </div><div><br></div><div>Betsy</div><div><br><d=
iv><br></div><div><div><div>On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:04 AM, Owen Derby wrote:<=
/div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">tl;d=
r: The UA Committee for Student Life has been working on printing since las=
t year and will continue to work on it this year. CSL would welcome any and=
all input from senate into how it should proceed.<br><br>Betsy,<br>
<br>I meant to bring this up at retreat, but I don't think I did. If you wa=
nt to set goals and see progress on this issue, you would be better off tas=
king CSL with this than creating an ad hoc committee to do what CSL is alre=
ady working on.<br>
<br>Also, it might be a good idea to establish some sort of goals in this b=
ill. What do you hope to achieve with this committee (regardless of who is =
running it)? This bill is not very clear on this front.<br><br>- Owen <br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Michael E =
Plasmeier <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:theplaz@mit.edu">theplaz@=
mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
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Hi Betsy and the UA Senate,<br>
<br>
I am the UA rep on the Institute's Athena and Printing Committee. I w=
orked extensively on the printing issue along with Daniel Hawkins and Richa=
rd Dahan in CSL on this issue last year. We did a lot of work and thi=
nking on this issue. We conducted a survey and talked for weeks about=
what the best options would be. We put together our suggestions into=
an 11 page report and PowerPoint presentation. Because we completed =
our work at the end of the year, without time for Senate approval, and beca=
use the Committee was on the same page with the UA, and decided to implemen=
t our printing suggestions this past summer anyway, we did not publish our =
report. Many of our recommendations are already complete.<br>
<br>
Outline of printing recommendations:<br>
-buy new printers - Complete<br>
-unify model for Athena and dorm printing support - Complete<br>
-Pharos printing system - last I heard the Institute was going to do this<b=
r>
-2,000 page/semester quota to limit the top ~5% of printers, CopyTech cours=
e readers included - think they are going to do this, CopyTech part questio=
nable<br>
<br>
The Institute Committee, which Oliver de facto leads, has not met this year=
. I've sent the committee an email asking if there were any open issu=
es they wished to reconvene on. The remaining issue that is open unde=
r our charter is a reconfiguration of the Athena spaces. Hawkins, Ric=
hard, and I had proposed closing the disused clusters 38-370, 37-332, 4-166=
, 2-225, 2-032 and replace them with nearby quickstations with printers. &n=
bsp;In addition, MIT should move all of the book out of Barker 5th floor an=
d lock up the books on Hayden 1st floor and open those spaces 24/7 with a b=
ump in computers and group study rooms. Barker, Hayden, and 5th Floor=
Student Center would become integrated study neighborhoods with a mix of c=
omputers, individual study, and group study. The committee has not sh=
own any momentum in moving forward with anything. What do you think i=
s a better option? Status quo or what we proposed?<br>
<br>
In any case I think any work on this issue can be handled inside of CSL, as=
it has been. I extend an invitation to Betsy and whoever else wishes=
to join me on the issue to work with me inside of the existing framework. =
Also, as for moving forward with the Institute committee: if the cons=
ensus is that status quo is better, we can leave sleeping dragons lying, bu=
t if people actual prefer the 24/7 library space, I can push that issue if =
need be. I welcome feedback.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-Michael Plasmeier<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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From: Betsy Riley [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:rileyb@MIT.EDU">rileyb@MIT.EDU<=
/a>]<br>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:38 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:ua-senate@mit.edu">ua-senate@mit.edu</a><br>
Subject: athena printing committee<br>
<br>
Hello -<br>
<br>
As I said I would, I have written a bill to create an ad hoc committee to e=
xamine changes to Athena printing, provide a mechanism for student input ab=
out printing, and ensure that student ideas are implemented or at least app=
ropriately considered. Let me know what you think, if you think anything sh=
ould be changed, etc.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Betsy<br>
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