[782] in UA Senate
Re: Bill to Save Time
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Geoffrey Thomas)
Thu Sep 30 00:31:49 2010
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:31:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Geoffrey Thomas <geofft@MIT.EDU>
To: Timothy Robertson <tim_r@mit.edu>
cc: William Steadman <willst@mit.edu>, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu>,
ua-senate@mit.edu
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http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=3Droberts+rules
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Geoffrey Thomas
geofft@mit.edu
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010, Timothy Robertson wrote:
> Correct me if I am wrong, but is there not a process that we can go throu=
gh to temporarily suspend a rule during the
> discussion?
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> Tim
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> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:23 AM, William Steadman <willst@mit.edu> wrote=
:
> =A0I will strike "he shall provide them to the senate" if you wish.=
Then it reads "Speaker makes rules he
> wants and if people don't like it they can use Roberts Rules. He do=
es not need to write any rules. If he
> wants, he'll just say we're using Roberts Rules as is.
>
> In my view, we can use Roberts Rules as a basis and make modificati=
ons. For example, every time we "divided
> the body" Jonte spent a minute to count that an overwhelming majori=
ty was for the bill. That will happen
> every meeting and is entirely unnecessary. Perhaps its not in Rober=
ts Rules, but I don't know. I don't want
> to read it all to find out. We can still "divide the body"/call for=
a hand vote, but don't need to count.
>
> Also, we should move straight to voting for bills and skip ending d=
ebate, unless somebody objects.
>
> Will
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> On 09/30/2010 12:07 AM, Alex Dehnert wrote:
> On 09/29/2010 11:16 PM, William Steadman wrote:
> Since I felt we spent too much time at the last meeting, this=
bill
> removes us following Roberts Rules of Order and lets the Spea=
ker decide
> which parliamentary procedure to follow. If 5 senators object=
to his
> method we return to Roberts Rules of Order.
>
> It mostly speaks for itself. I like the quote by the GSC.
>
> Happy to change it,
>
> Will
>
> Bill to Save Time
>
> Whereas: 15 minutes were wasted in meeting 42 U.A.S 1 on a po=
int of
> order, and in general by unessecary parliamentary procedure.
>
> Whereas: The G.S.C. ammended their consitution via bill 51 G.=
S.C. 9.2
> which specificly states ``The G.S.C. The Bylaws currently sta=
te that
> Roberts Rules of Order should be used as a means of
> maintaining order at Council meetings. However, these rules o=
f order are
> very
> complicated, requiring formal motions to be made for even the=
most minor
> of things.
> Experience has shown that attempting to follow Roberts Rules =
leads to
> confusion and
> inefficiency. This amendment removes the restriction for usin=
g Roberts
> Rules, and
> instead simply states that the =93presiding officer shall fol=
low a
> Parliamentary procedure to
> be made available to the Council=94.''
>
> Whereas: The Speaker already interprets Roberts Rules of Orde=
r.
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> It is resolved that: Article IV Section B subsection 1 is amm=
ended to
> say ``Any aspect of parliamentary procedure or rules not cove=
red by
> these Bylaws or the UA Constitution shall be determined by th=
e speaker.
> They will make this procedure available to the Senate. If dur=
ring a
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> AIUI, that boils down to "the Speaker should write some rules of or=
der, and give them to the Senate",
> which seems... excessive. Writing a good set of parliamentary rules=
seems annoyingly time consuming.
>
> RONR has the advantage that it's widely used, so it tends to be the=
thing people are most likely to
> know ("most likely" may not mean much, admittedly), you can find go=
od teaching and reference
> materials, and the details have been looked at enough to be sane.
>
> I don't think Monday's incident was typical, and I think that as Jo=
nte grows more used to running
> meetings, he'll grow better at using RONR in a way that moves the m=
eeting forward without being
> perceived as interfering with anyone's ability to be fairly heard (=
through speech and/or voting).
>
> senate meeting, 5 senators object to the method of parliament=
ary
> procedure, then the Speaker will defer to Roberts Rules of Or=
der (latest
> addtion) for the remainder of the meeting.''
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> ~~Alex
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> --
> Tim Robertson II
> MIT 2010
> Mechanical Engineering
> 602-738-1196
> UA Senate Office Hours:
> B515 Sunday 5-8pm
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