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Re: Senate in Boston news
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ted Hilk)
Wed Apr 14 05:29:27 2010
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From: Ted Hilk <thilk@MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 05:29:02 -0400
To: Janet Li <jli12@mit.edu>
Cc: Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>,
The Other Other CFS <campaignforsanitizers@gmail.com>,
ua-senate@mit.edu
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At least the article doesn't seem to have any glaring factual errors. It's
obnoxious that we're getting press for this and not something more
policy-oriented, though.
Ted
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Janet Li <jli12@mit.edu> wrote:
> ... OMG, hahaha
>
> ---
> Janet Li
> MIT Class of 2012
> Dept. of Biological Engineering
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>wrote:
>
>> Props to Janet!
>>
>> ... but seriously, we had a student protest last Friday and THIS is the
>> story the local news runs? this would be a perfect example of why I watch
>> the Daily Show for my news.
>>
>>
>>
>> alex
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:23 AM, The Other Other CFS wrote:
>>
>> http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO139894/
>>>
>>> The Campaign for Sanitizers does not know whether to say congrats or...
>>>
>>> But in either case, "Way to get in the news Senate!"
>>>
>>> (although we still think Mandatory Showering on Kresge Oval would have
>>> been way more hilarious)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Tim Stumbaugh <stum@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For those who lack the relevant context:
>>>>
>>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS40/passed/40%20UAS%206.1%20-%20Student%20Center%20Sanitizers.pdf
>>>>
>>>> On 10 Apr 2010 00.22, The Other Other CFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Campaign for Sanitizers fully supports the spirit of this bill,
>>>>> but encourages consideration of a few other options:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. turn on the sprinklers on Kresge Oval, drag all reading room
>>>>> occupants out there, enforce Mandatory Showering.
>>>>> Pros: essentially free, much more hysterical
>>>>> Cons: we hate anything mandatory
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. build a wall to divide the room into two sections, have a Smell
>>>>> Sheriff at the entrance determine whether a person belongs on the
>>>>> smell-free or smelly side.
>>>>> Pros: public shaming
>>>>> Cons: a decent wall is probably more expensive than the proposed
>>>>> expenditures.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. don't allow (smelly) food
>>>>> Pros: would actually help if people followed it
>>>>> Cons: too obvious
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. shoot any smelly offenders
>>>>> Pros: sure would get the message across clearly
>>>>> Cons: might be illegal in some states. and countries. and might
>>>>> be ethically questionable.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. close the damn Reading Room
>>>>> Pros: forces the smelly people to diffuse around campus. Then
>>>>> the space could be given to student groups. We hear that MITSFS would
>>>>> likely still love this idea.
>>>>> Cons: It has not been proven that the aforementioned
>>>>> substitution would make a significant positive impact with respect to
>>>>> the problem in question.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In summary, The Campaign is against smelliness, but ironically has no
>>>>> strong stance in either direction on personal hygiene. So while The
>>>>> Campaign supports the spirit of this proposal, it would highly prefer
>>>>> a free and more amusing and shaming plan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Other Other CFS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ps - one point of inquiry: the Reading Room has a significant smell
>>>>> problem, but the neighboring cluster does not? This sure seems
>>>>> counter-intuitive to us.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Janet Li<jli12@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to give you a heads up on a bill I'm working on, which I'll
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> send to Tim soon so that it can be on the agenda for our next meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Committee on Space Planning has been working with the CAC to
>>>>>> improve
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Reading Room, namely the smell. The ventilation system and everything
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> working fine, so the main problem is probably just the students
>>>>>> themselves,
>>>>>> many of whom get locked up studying in the Reading Room without taking
>>>>>> care
>>>>>> of their hygiene. We've made some posters about stress and hygiene to
>>>>>> raise
>>>>>> awareness of this problem (which are going up soon, if they're not
>>>>>> already
>>>>>> up), but for finals week, we wanted to do something more. Together
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> Jennifer Smith (the assistant director of the CAC) and some of MIT's
>>>>>> health
>>>>>> educators, we've decided to tackle this hygiene issue by having free
>>>>>> samples
>>>>>> of toothpaste, soap, deodorant, and mouthwash available in the Reading
>>>>>> Room
>>>>>> for the last day of spring classes through the last day of finals (May
>>>>>> 13-20).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jennifer was able to obtain free samples of toothpaste and soap, but
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> six
>>>>>> days of 50 samples/day, the other products would cost: $174 for
>>>>>> deodorant
>>>>>> ($0.58/piece) and $267 for mouthwash ($0.89/piece). So the bill asks
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> total of $441 from Senate Discretionary to cover the cost of these
>>>>>> samples.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you all think? Since the Reading Room and its smell are issues
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> affect many undergrads, and because the UA Committee on Space Planning
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> been working with the CAC on this, I think that it's reasonable to
>>>>>> request
>>>>>> this funding from the Senate discretionary fund. Jennifer is already
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> the CAC's funds to print posters and buy the display stands, as well
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> paying for the student graphics worker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Janet Li
>>>>>> MIT Class of 2012
>>>>>> Dept. of Biological Engineering
>>>>>> Undergraduate Association Baker Senator
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -Tim
>>>> "Now, I'll stop the storm if it rains."
>>>>
>>>>
>> __________________________________
>> Alexandra Jordan
>>
>> MIT 2011
>> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
>> Political Science
>>
>> amjordan@mit.edu
>> 916.813.7740
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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At least the article doesn't seem to have any glaring factual errors. =
=A0It's obnoxious that we're getting press for this and not somethi=
ng more policy-oriented, though.<br><br><div>Ted</div><div><br><div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Janet Li <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D=
"mailto:jli12@mit.edu">jli12@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex;">
... OMG, hahaha<div class=3D"im"><br clear=3D"all">---<br>Janet Li<br>MIT C=
lass of 2012<br>Dept. of Biological Engineering<br>
<br><br></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Alexandra Jordan <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a=
href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">amjordan@mit.edu</a>>=
;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
Props to Janet!<br>
<br>
... but seriously, we had a student protest last Friday and THIS is the sto=
ry the local news runs? this would be a perfect example of why I watch the =
Daily Show for my news.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
alex<div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:23 AM, The Other Other CFS wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
<a href=3D"http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO139894/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO139894/</a><br>
<br>
The Campaign for Sanitizers does not know whether to say congrats or...<br>
<br>
But in either case, "Way to get in the news Senate!"<br>
<br>
(although we still think Mandatory Showering on Kresge Oval would have<br>
been way more hilarious)<br>
<br>
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Tim Stumbaugh <<a href=3D"mailto:stum@mi=
t.edu" target=3D"_blank">stum@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
For those who lack the relevant context:<br>
<a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS40/passed/40%20UAS%206.1%20-%20S=
tudent%20Center%20Sanitizers.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/s=
enate/UAS40/passed/40%20UAS%206.1%20-%20Student%20Center%20Sanitizers.pdf</=
a><br>
<br>
On 10 Apr 2010 00.22, The Other Other CFS wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
The Campaign for Sanitizers fully supports the spirit of this bill,<br>
but encourages consideration of a few other options:<br>
<br>
1. turn on the sprinklers on Kresge Oval, drag all reading room<br>
occupants out there, enforce Mandatory Showering.<br>
=A0 =A0 Pros: essentially free, much more hysterical<br>
=A0 =A0 Cons: we hate anything mandatory<br>
<br>
2. build a wall to divide the room into two sections, have a Smell<br>
Sheriff at the entrance determine whether a person belongs on the<br>
smell-free or smelly side.<br>
=A0 =A0 Pros: public shaming<br>
=A0 =A0 Cons: a decent wall is probably more expensive than the proposed<b=
r>
expenditures.<br>
<br>
3. don't allow (smelly) food<br>
=A0 =A0 Pros: would actually help if people followed it<br>
=A0 =A0 Cons: too obvious<br>
<br>
4. shoot any smelly offenders<br>
=A0 =A0 Pros: sure would get the message across clearly<br>
=A0 =A0 Cons: might be illegal in some states. =A0and countries. =A0and mi=
ght<br>
be ethically questionable.<br>
<br>
5. close the damn Reading Room<br>
=A0 =A0 Pros: forces the smelly people to diffuse around campus. =A0Then<b=
r>
the space could be given to student groups. =A0We hear that MITSFS would<br=
>
likely still love this idea.<br>
=A0 =A0 Cons: =A0It has not been proven that the aforementioned<br>
substitution would make a significant positive impact with respect to<br>
the problem in question.<br>
<br>
<br>
In summary, The Campaign is against smelliness, but ironically has no<br>
strong stance in either direction on personal hygiene. =A0So while The<br>
Campaign supports the spirit of this proposal, it would highly prefer<br>
a free and more amusing and shaming plan.<br>
<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
The Other Other CFS<br>
<br>
<br>
ps - one point of inquiry: the Reading Room has a significant smell<br>
problem, but the neighboring cluster does not? =A0This sure seems<br>
counter-intuitive to us.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Janet Li<<a href=3D"mailto:jli12@mit.edu=
" target=3D"_blank">jli12@mit.edu</a>> =A0wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Hey everyone,<br>
<br>
I wanted to give you a heads up on a bill I'm working on, which I'l=
l try<br>
to<br>
send to Tim soon so that it can be on the agenda for our next meeting.<br>
<br>
The Committee on Space Planning has been working with the CAC to improve<br=
>
the<br>
Reading Room, namely the smell. The ventilation system and everything are<b=
r>
working fine, so the main problem is probably just the students<br>
themselves,<br>
many of whom get locked up studying in the Reading Room without taking<br>
care<br>
of their hygiene. We've made some posters about stress and hygiene to<b=
r>
raise<br>
awareness of this problem (which are going up soon, if they're not<br>
already<br>
up), but for finals week, we wanted to do something more. Together with<br>
Jennifer Smith (the assistant director of the CAC) and some of MIT's<br=
>
health<br>
educators, we've decided to tackle this hygiene issue by having free<br=
>
samples<br>
of toothpaste, soap, deodorant, and mouthwash available in the Reading<br>
Room<br>
for the last day of spring classes through the last day of finals (May<br>
13-20).<br>
<br>
Jennifer was able to obtain free samples of toothpaste and soap, but for<br=
>
six<br>
days of 50 samples/day, the other products would cost: $174 for deodorant<b=
r>
($0.58/piece) and $267 for mouthwash ($0.89/piece). So the bill asks for<br=
>
a<br>
total of $441 from Senate Discretionary to cover the cost of these<br>
samples.<br>
<br>
What do you all think? Since the Reading Room and its smell are issues<br>
that<br>
affect many undergrads, and because the UA Committee on Space Planning<br>
has<br>
been working with the CAC on this, I think that it's reasonable to<br>
request<br>
this funding from the Senate discretionary fund. Jennifer is already<br>
using<br>
the CAC's funds to print posters and buy the display stands, as well as=
<br>
paying for the student graphics worker.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
---<br>
Janet Li<br>
MIT Class of 2012<br>
Dept. of Biological Engineering<br>
Undergraduate Association Baker Senator<br>
<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
<br>
--<br>
-Tim<br>
"Now, I'll stop the storm if it rains."<br>
<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
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__________________________________<br>
Alexandra Jordan<br>
<br>
MIT 2011<br>
Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science<br>
Political Science<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">amjordan@mit.edu</a><=
br>
916.813.7740<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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