[604] in UA Senate
Re: Dining Idea Bank
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Adam Bockelie)
Sun Apr 11 10:31:00 2010
In-Reply-To: <k2x9d4f87ed1004102332u66186134paa1b721530822038@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:30:56 -0400
From: Adam Bockelie <bockelie@MIT.EDU>
To: hwkns@mit.edu
Cc: Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu>,
Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu>, mbennie@mit.edu,
Paul Youchak <youchakp@mit.edu>,
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jont=E9_Craighead?= <jontec@mit.edu>,
Austen W McRae <amcrae@mit.edu>, UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
2. This is something we are discussing at the next meeting.
1. The final conclusion was that an up/down or ranking system would
not be as meaningful as a written comment...depth of response was
favored over breadth of responses. This was a long fight...it took
probably a third of the meeting. Most of the other students didn't
have a strong opinion, a one or two were against the ranking/voting.
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:32 AM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu> wrote:
> What the fuck.
>
> 1. That's retarded.=A0 Seriously, there is absolutely no good reason not =
to
> add that feature.
> 2. I wondered how this decision could have been justified, so I looked fo=
r
> the meeting minutes on the web site.=A0 They're not there.
>
> -hwkns
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:19 AM, Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu> wrot=
e:
>>
>> HDAG, for some totally misguided reason, decided against a thumbs
>> up/thumbs down feature. So now we have to work extra hard to get student
>> feedback out there.
>> Encourage your constituencies to go the website and participate, even if
>> it's something as simple as a comment saying "yes."
>> Alex
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Alexandra Jordan wrote:
>>
>> The Idea Bank is still open and looking for comments and new solutions.
>> Help out Adam and the other student reps on HDAG by representing your
>> constituencies:=A0http://ideabank-housedining.mit.edu/ideas.
>>
>> Alex
>> On Apr 8, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Paul Baranay wrote:
>>
>> For those concerned about financial aid and food costs, I would also
>> highly recommend writing to or meeting with the chair of CUAFA, currentl=
y
>> Duane Boning (boning@mtl.mit.edu). =A0Regardless of whether you are one =
of the
>> student representatives on the committee or not, emailing him to voice y=
our
>> concerns is always appropriate. =A0Similarly, keep your student
>> representatives on CUAFA, whoever they end up being, accountable.
>> Best,
>> Paul
>> P.S. =A0Perhaps it would be helpful if someone advocated for the minutes=
of
>> CUAFA's future/past discussions about the financial aid allowance for fo=
od
>> to be made public. =A0Institute Committees in general have traditionally=
been
>> very resistant to the idea of making their meetings totally transparent,
>> which makes sense for some aspects of CUAFA -- specifically, antitrust l=
aws
>> that prevent universities from colluding on financial aid -- but perhaps=
it
>> would be possible to have an exception made for this specific case. =A0A=
sking
>> Prof. Boning what he thinks would be a good first step, but speaking wit=
h
>> MIT Counsel would probably be helpful (and, likely, necessary) as well.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course -- it's not a short-term matter, since it's tied to the meal
>>> plan discussions. =A0Thanks for the information on the current situatio=
n. =A0I'm
>>> actually trying for a spot on CUAFA precisely because of what my resear=
ch
>>> uncovered on this issue -- I am very interested in making sure that stu=
dents
>>> are properly represented when these decisions are made.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ted
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Michael Bennie <mbennie@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It hasn't happened yet. My understanding is that the financial allowan=
ce
>>>> for food was reduced only slightly this year (on the order of $100). I=
t
>>>> doesn't appear that financial aid for food will be significantly reduc=
ed in
>>>> the short run.
>>>>
>>>> We have two strong allies on this issue. First, President Hockfield ha=
s
>>>> been very open about her commitment to financial aid (although that is=
the
>>>> larger issue not food specifically). Second, it appears that the stude=
nt
>>>> reps on CUAFA have a major voice in this decision. Make sure the stude=
nt
>>>> reps we approve for next year are informed on this issue.
>>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Ted Hilk <thilk@MIT.EDU>
>>>> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 02:19:57 -0400
>>>> To: <hwkns@mit.edu>
>>>> Cc: Paul Youchak<youchakp@mit.edu>; Alexandra Jordan<amjordan@mit.edu>=
;
>>>> Jont=C3=A9 Craighead<jontec@mit.edu>; Adam Bockelie<bockelie@mit.edu>;=
Austen W
>>>> McRae<amcrae@mit.edu>; UA Senate<ua-senate@mit.edu>
>>>> Subject: Re: Dining Idea Bank
>>>> The last time I spoke to someone about it was when I talked to Prof.
>>>> M=E9dard, who said at the time that it was slated for implementation p=
ending
>>>> EMG review, SFS specifics, and CUAFA review. =A0It would not be implem=
ented
>>>> until the new dining plan at the soonest, obviously, so that wouldn't =
be
>>>> next year. =A0Ergo it "hasn't happened yet." =A0As far as I can tell i=
t is still
>>>> probably cause for concern, unless a senior admin unilaterally rejecte=
d the
>>>> idea (something Bennie may have mentioned if it did happen).
>>>> Ted
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe what Bennie said on that topic was, "that hasn't happened
>>>>> yet."=A0 As far as I know, that means it probably won't take effect n=
ext year,
>>>>> but it's not off the table by any means.
>>>>>
>>>>> -hwkns
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you referring to the slated $1460 aid reductions in the Task For=
ce
>>>>>> report? =A0If Bennie said they weren't happening, that would be grea=
t news. =A0I
>>>>>> was not able to attend that meeting. =A0Please discuss further.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu> wrote=
:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What financial thing, what claims, what won't happen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hwkns
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Paul Youchak <youchakp@mit.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was under the impression we had the whole financial thing cleare=
d
>>>>>>>> up during the last Senate Meeting. =A0Did Bennie not say those cla=
ims are
>>>>>>>> false and it will not happen?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alexandra Jordan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Senate,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will probably keep reminding you all every 24 hours or so to go
>>>>>>>>> check out the idea bank, even if it's simply to comment on someon=
e else's
>>>>>>>>> whacky solutions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is important to ALL of your constituencies, whether the
>>>>>>>>> decisions that come out of HDAG impact them directly or not. As
>>>>>>>>> representatives of your living groups and the student body at lar=
ge, you
>>>>>>>>> have a responsibility to get involved with this issue--especially=
when the
>>>>>>>>> admin makes it so easy to put your ideas out there.
>>>>>>>>> I know you're not investing four years and $200,000 at MIT becaus=
e
>>>>>>>>> you're incapable of independent thought, so please go do your job=
s and tell
>>>>>>>>> HDAG what students want.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex Jordan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Jont=E9 Craighead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Addressed to the list in general:
>>>>>>>>>> <jargon>
>>>>>>>>>> Someone <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You> should make a
>>>>>>>>>> JS-enabled frameset and host it on the UA website if the staff f=
or the site
>>>>>>>>>> is not too excited about adding a ranking system; essentially yo=
u have an
>>>>>>>>>> upper frame (10% of the screen) with stars/rating system, the lo=
wer frame
>>>>>>>>>> (90%) shows the IdeaBank site. You should always be able to find=
the current
>>>>>>>>>> url of the lower frame and reading the links on that page gives =
you the user
>>>>>>>>>> that's currently logged in (i.e. mouse-over "My Account"). Store=
the ratings
>>>>>>>>>> in a database and you've got yourself some statistics. The only =
issue would
>>>>>>>>>> be advertising the site so that people can use it.
>>>>>>>>>> </jargon>
>>>>>>>>>> Disclaimer: This is a proof of concept and a last resort to be
>>>>>>>>>> weighed against the potential political fallout. Also, I don't a=
ctually have
>>>>>>>>>> the time to do this.
>>>>>>>>>> Update: I am glad Adam has already asked about this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *geofft posted his request on the IdeaBank *[link
>>>>>>>>>> <https://ideabank-housedining.mit.edu/ideas/geofftmitedu/impleme=
nt-dining-proposal-committee-recommendations>]
>>>>>>>>>> (concerning the DPC Report) and then e-mailed next-forum about h=
is "idea"
>>>>>>>>>> and the IdeaBank itself, encouraging us to take a look. If there=
was ever an
>>>>>>>>>> appropriate use for a (house)-forum list... this is it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Jont=E9 Craighead
>>>>>>>>>> Concerned Undergrad from Next House
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Adam Bockelie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> RE Rating System. =A0From Tom Gearty: "
>>>>>>>>>>> I will email IS&T to find out and let you know as soon as I hea=
r
>>>>>>>>>>> back."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask about it Thurs night if I haven't heard anything by
>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Austen McRae <amcrae@mit.edu
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:amcrae@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stars are for kirby and mario. =A0On the other hand, why they
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have
>>>>>>>>>>>> master chiefs, I have no idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -"you are the weakest link" *splat*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:hwkns@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been out for a matter of hours. =A0Don't worry, my ideas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will make it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up there soon. =A0I also plan on making sure everything relev=
ant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the DPC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> report makes it on there in idea form, since they apparently
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to avoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioning it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm with Paul - this is the same site they used for the task
>>>>>>>>>>>>> force report
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (why the eff did it take so long to get in up and running?),
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and those ideas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be rated with 1-5 stars. =A0That seems to me like a ver=
y
>>>>>>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature that is currently missing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hwkns
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Adam Bockelie <bockelie@mit.e=
du
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bockelie@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For those of you who did have strong opinions...the idea ban=
k
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see many of your ideas. =A0Do what you want outs=
ide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HDAG,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it doesn't make sense to not use an official input to th=
e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee as well....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [http://ideabank-housedining.mit.edu/ideas]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.ed=
u
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:hwkns@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to thank those of you who contributed to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tonight. =A0I was surprised at how many senators just didn'=
t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care. =A0You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were more vocal about the MIT EMS money last week than you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> student engagement. =A0Maybe you should consider joining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finboard instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senate next time around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hwkns
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.e=
du
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:hwkns@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached is a bill, in case we want to pass it tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hwkns
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Daniel Hawkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <hwkns@mit.edu <mailto:hwkns@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Senate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A lot of you have e-mailed me and said something to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect of, "I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree, this is totally screwed up, but is there anything =
we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point?" =A0Maybe there is. =A0While Colombo just wants th=
is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be over, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the higher level administration actually wants to get it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right. =A0If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them a plan that's doable, they may hold DSL to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need to brainstorm to see if there is a solution that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incorporate student input AND reach a final decision by t=
he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> May. =A0I've outlined an idea below that might work, and =
I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reply-all and tell me what you think about it, or come up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Take minutes (not summaries, minutes) at HDAG meetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes public.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Involve ALL undergrads. =A0This change affects everyon=
e,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has ideas. =A0Make a public moira list for discussion,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequently, and respond to questions and concerns raised =
by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Set up the Idea Bank NOW. =A0Not by the end of the wee=
k,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not as soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can make it look as pretty as you want it to. =A0Now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. By April 16, publish a document that includes all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positively-rated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas from the Idea Bank, with detailed comments on each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether you plan to implement it and why or why not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Add the detailed comments from #4 to the ideas in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idea Bank to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which they apply, and let student input continue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. By April 30, publish a document that includes all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positively-rated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas from the Idea Bank, with detailed comments on each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether you plan to implement it and why or why not, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detailed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responses to any feedback on old ideas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. By May 14, publish a document that outlines the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dining plan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of student input on each topic and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasoning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the choice that was ultimately made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hwkns
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adam Bockelie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.209.7233
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bockelie@mit.edu <mailto:bockelie@mit.edu>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Class of 2011
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Adam Bockelie
>>>>>>>>>>> 801.209.7233
>>>>>>>>>>> <bockelie@mit.edu <mailto:bockelie@mit.edu>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>>>>>>>>>>> Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
>>>>>>>>>>> Class of 2011
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> __________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Alexandra Jordan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MIT 2011
>>>>>>>>> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
>>>>>>>>> Political Science
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> amjordan@mit.edu <mailto:amjordan@mit.edu>
>>>>>>>>> 916.813.7740
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> __________________________________
>> Alexandra Jordan
>> MIT 2011
>> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
>> Political Science
>> amjordan@mit.edu
>> 916.813.7740
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __________________________________
>> Alexandra Jordan
>> MIT 2011
>> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
>> Political Science
>> amjordan@mit.edu
>> 916.813.7740
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Adam Bockelie
801.209.7233
<bockelie@mit.edu>
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
Class of 2011
