[580] in UA Senate
Re: Dining Idea Bank
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Daniel Hawkins)
Thu Apr 8 02:12:34 2010
Reply-To: hwkns@MIT.EDU
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 02:12:29 -0400
From: Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@MIT.EDU>
To: Paul Youchak <youchakp@mit.edu>
Cc: Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>,
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jont=E9_Craighead?= <jontec@mit.edu>,
Adam Bockelie <bockelie@mit.edu>, Austen W McRae <amcrae@mit.edu>,
UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
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What financial thing, what claims, what won't happen?
-hwkns
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Paul Youchak <youchakp@mit.edu> wrote:
> I was under the impression we had the whole financial thing cleared up
> during the last Senate Meeting. Did Bennie not say those claims are fals=
e
> and it will not happen?
>
> Paul
>
> Alexandra Jordan wrote:
>
>> Senate,
>>
>> I will probably keep reminding you all every 24 hours or so to go check
>> out the idea bank, even if it's simply to comment on someone else's whac=
ky
>> solutions.
>>
>> This is important to ALL of your constituencies, whether the decisions
>> that come out of HDAG impact them directly or not. As representatives of
>> your living groups and the student body at large, you have a responsibil=
ity
>> to get involved with this issue--especially when the admin makes it so e=
asy
>> to put your ideas out there.
>> I know you're not investing four years and $200,000 at MIT because you'r=
e
>> incapable of independent thought, so please go do your jobs and tell HDA=
G
>> what students want.
>>
>> Alex Jordan
>>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Jont=E9 Craighead wrote:
>>
>> Addressed to the list in general:
>>> <jargon>
>>> Someone <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You> should make a JS-enabled
>>> frameset and host it on the UA website if the staff for the site is not=
too
>>> excited about adding a ranking system; essentially you have an upper fr=
ame
>>> (10% of the screen) with stars/rating system, the lower frame (90%) sho=
ws
>>> the IdeaBank site. You should always be able to find the current url of=
the
>>> lower frame and reading the links on that page gives you the user that'=
s
>>> currently logged in (i.e. mouse-over "My Account"). Store the ratings i=
n a
>>> database and you've got yourself some statistics. The only issue would =
be
>>> advertising the site so that people can use it.
>>>
>>> </jargon>
>>> Disclaimer: This is a proof of concept and a last resort to be weighed
>>> against the potential political fallout. Also, I don't actually have th=
e
>>> time to do this.
>>> Update: I am glad Adam has already asked about this.
>>>
>>> *geofft posted his request on the IdeaBank *[link <
>>> https://ideabank-housedining.mit.edu/ideas/geofftmitedu/implement-dinin=
g-proposal-committee-recommendations>]
>>> (concerning the DPC Report) and then e-mailed next-forum about his "ide=
a"
>>> and the IdeaBank itself, encouraging us to take a look. If there was ev=
er an
>>> appropriate use for a (house)-forum list... this is it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jont=E9 Craighead
>>> Concerned Undergrad from Next House
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Adam Bockelie wrote:
>>>
>>> RE Rating System. From Tom Gearty: "
>>>> I will email IS&T to find out and let you know as soon as I hear back.=
"
>>>>
>>>> I'll ask about it Thurs night if I haven't heard anything by then.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Austen McRae <amcrae@mit.edu <mailto:
>>>> amcrae@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Stars are for kirby and mario. On the other hand, why they don't hav=
e
>>>>> master chiefs, I have no idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> -"you are the weakest link" *splat*
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu <mailto=
:
>>>>> hwkns@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been out for a matter of hours. Don't worry, my ideas will mak=
e
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> up there soon. I also plan on making sure everything relevant from
>>>>>> the DPC
>>>>>> report makes it on there in idea form, since they apparently want to
>>>>>> avoid
>>>>>> mentioning it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm with Paul - this is the same site they used for the task force
>>>>>> report
>>>>>> (why the eff did it take so long to get in up and running?), and tho=
se
>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>> could be rated with 1-5 stars. That seems to me like a very importa=
nt
>>>>>> feature that is currently missing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hwkns
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Adam Bockelie <bockelie@mit.edu<mail=
to:
>>>>>> bockelie@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those of you who did have strong opinions...the idea bank is op=
en
>>>>>>> and I don't see many of your ideas. Do what you want outside HDAG,
>>>>>>> but it doesn't make sense to not use an official input to the
>>>>>>> committee as well....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [http://ideabank-housedining.mit.edu/ideas]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu<mailt=
o:
>>>>>>> hwkns@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to thank those of you who contributed to the discussion on
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> tonight. I was surprised at how many senators just didn't care.
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>> were more vocal about the MIT EMS money last week than you were
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> student engagement. Maybe you should consider joining Finboard
>>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Senate next time around.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hwkns
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu<mail=
to:
>>>>>>>> hwkns@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attached is a bill, in case we want to pass it tonight.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hwkns
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu<mai=
lto:
>>>>>>>>> hwkns@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Senate,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A lot of you have e-mailed me and said something to the effect o=
f,
>>>>>>>>>> "I
>>>>>>>>>> agree, this is totally screwed up, but is there anything we can =
do
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> point?" Maybe there is. While Colombo just wants this to be
>>>>>>>>>> over, I
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>> the higher level administration actually wants to get it right.
>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>> we give
>>>>>>>>>> them a plan that's doable, they may hold DSL to it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We need to brainstorm to see if there is a solution that can
>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>> incorporate student input AND reach a final decision by the seco=
nd
>>>>>>>>>> week of
>>>>>>>>>> May. I've outlined an idea below that might work, and I encoura=
ge
>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>>>> reply-all and tell me what you think about it, or come up with
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Take minutes (not summaries, minutes) at HDAG meetings and ma=
ke
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> minutes public.
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Involve ALL undergrads. This change affects everyone, and
>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>> has ideas. Make a public moira list for discussion, monitor the
>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>> frequently, and respond to questions and concerns raised by
>>>>>>>>>> students.
>>>>>>>>>> 3. Set up the Idea Bank NOW. Not by the end of the week, not as
>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> you can make it look as pretty as you want it to. Now.
>>>>>>>>>> 4. By April 16, publish a document that includes all
>>>>>>>>>> positively-rated
>>>>>>>>>> ideas from the Idea Bank, with detailed comments on each idea
>>>>>>>>>> explaining
>>>>>>>>>> whether you plan to implement it and why or why not.
>>>>>>>>>> 5. Add the detailed comments from #4 to the ideas in the Idea Ba=
nk
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> which they apply, and let student input continue.
>>>>>>>>>> 6. By April 30, publish a document that includes all
>>>>>>>>>> positively-rated
>>>>>>>>>> ideas from the Idea Bank, with detailed comments on each new ide=
a
>>>>>>>>>> explaining
>>>>>>>>>> whether you plan to implement it and why or why not, and with
>>>>>>>>>> detailed
>>>>>>>>>> responses to any feedback on old ideas.
>>>>>>>>>> 7. By May 14, publish a document that outlines the new dining pl=
an
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of student input on each topic and the
>>>>>>>>>> reasoning
>>>>>>>>>> behind
>>>>>>>>>> the choice that was ultimately made.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -hwkns
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Adam Bockelie
>>>>>>> 801.209.7233
>>>>>>> <bockelie@mit.edu <mailto:bockelie@mit.edu>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>>>>>>> Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
>>>>>>> Class of 2011
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Adam Bockelie
>>>> 801.209.7233
>>>> <bockelie@mit.edu <mailto:bockelie@mit.edu>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>>>> Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
>>>> Class of 2011
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> __________________________________
>> Alexandra Jordan
>>
>> MIT 2011
>> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
>> Political Science
>>
>> amjordan@mit.edu <mailto:amjordan@mit.edu>
>> 916.813.7740
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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What financial thing, what claims, what won't happen?<br><br>-hwkns<br>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Paul Youchak=
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:youchakp@mit.edu">youchakp@mit.edu=
</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">I was under the i=
mpression we had the whole financial thing cleared up during the last Senat=
e Meeting. =A0Did Bennie not say those claims are false and it will not hap=
pen?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
Alexandra Jordan wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"im"=
>
Senate,<br>
<br>
I will probably keep reminding you all every 24 hours or so to go check out=
the idea bank, even if it's simply to comment on someone else's wh=
acky solutions.<br>
<br>
This is important to ALL of your constituencies, whether the decisions that=
come out of HDAG impact them directly or not. As representatives of your l=
iving groups and the student body at large, you have a responsibility to ge=
t involved with this issue--especially when the admin makes it so easy to p=
ut your ideas out there. <br>
I know you're not investing four years and $200,000 at MIT because you&=
#39;re incapable of independent thought, so please go do your jobs and tell=
HDAG what students want. <br>
<br>
Alex Jordan<br>
<br>
<br>
On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Jont=E9 Craighead wrote:<br>
<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=
=3D"im">
Addressed to the list in general:<br>
<jargon><br></div>
Someone <<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You" target=3D"_blank">=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You</a>> should make a JS-enabled frameset =
and host it on the UA website if the staff for the site is not too excited =
about adding a ranking system; essentially you have an upper frame (10% of =
the screen) with stars/rating system, the lower frame (90%) shows the IdeaB=
ank site. You should always be able to find the current url of the lower fr=
ame and reading the links on that page gives you the user that's curren=
tly logged in (i.e. mouse-over "My Account"). Store the ratings i=
n a database and you've got yourself some statistics. The only issue wo=
uld be advertising the site so that people can use it.<div class=3D"im">
<br>
</jargon><br>
Disclaimer: This is a proof of concept and a last resort to be weighed agai=
nst the potential political fallout. Also, I don't actually have the ti=
me to do this.<br>
Update: I am glad Adam has already asked about this.<br>
<br></div>
*geofft posted his request on the IdeaBank *[link <<a href=3D"https://id=
eabank-housedining.mit.edu/ideas/geofftmitedu/implement-dining-proposal-com=
mittee-recommendations" target=3D"_blank">https://ideabank-housedining.mit.=
edu/ideas/geofftmitedu/implement-dining-proposal-committee-recommendations<=
/a>>] (concerning the DPC Report) and then e-mailed next-forum about his=
"idea" and the IdeaBank itself, encouraging us to take a look. I=
f there was ever an appropriate use for a (house)-forum list... this is it.=
<div class=3D"im">
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jont=E9 Craighead<br>
Concerned Undergrad from Next House<br>
<br>
On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Adam Bockelie wrote:<br>
<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=
=3D"im">
RE Rating System. =A0From Tom Gearty: "<br>
I will email IS&T to find out and let you know as soon as I hear back.&=
quot;<br>
<br>
I'll ask about it Thurs night if I haven't heard anything by then.<=
br>
<br></div><div class=3D"im">
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Austen McRae <<a href=3D"mailto:amcrae@m=
it.edu" target=3D"_blank">amcrae@mit.edu</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:a=
mcrae@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">amcrae@mit.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=
=3D"im">
Stars are for kirby and mario. =A0On the other hand, why they don't hav=
e<br>
master chiefs, I have no idea.<br>
<br>
-"you are the weakest link" *splat*<br>
<br></div><div class=3D"im">
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Daniel Hawkins <<a href=3D"mailto:hwkns@=
mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">hwkns@mit.edu</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:h=
wkns@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">hwkns@mit.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=
=3D"im">
<br>
It's been out for a matter of hours. =A0Don't worry, my ideas will =
make it<br>
up there soon. =A0I also plan on making sure everything relevant from the D=
PC<br>
report makes it on there in idea form, since they apparently want to avoid<=
br>
mentioning it.<br>
<br>
I'm with Paul - this is the same site they used for the task force repo=
rt<br>
(why the eff did it take so long to get in up and running?), and those idea=
s<br>
could be rated with 1-5 stars. =A0That seems to me like a very important<br=
>
feature that is currently missing.<br>
<br>
-hwkns<br>
<br>
<br>
<br></div><div class=3D"im">
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Adam Bockelie <<a href=3D"mailto:bockeli=
e@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">bockelie@mit.edu</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mai=
lto:bockelie@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">bockelie@mit.edu</a>>> wrote:=
<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=
=3D"im">
<br>
For those of you who did have strong opinions...the idea bank is open<br>
and I don't see many of your ideas. =A0Do what you want outside HDAG,<b=
r>
but it doesn't make sense to not use an official input to the<br>
committee as well....<br>
<br>
[<a href=3D"http://ideabank-housedining.mit.edu/ideas" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://ideabank-housedining.mit.edu/ideas</a>]<br>
<br>
<br></div><div class=3D"im">
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Daniel Hawkins <<a href=3D"mailto:hwkns@=
mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">hwkns@mit.edu</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:h=
wkns@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">hwkns@mit.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=
=3D"im">
I want to thank those of you who contributed to the discussion on this<br>
tonight. =A0I was surprised at how many senators just didn't care. =A0Y=
ou<br>
guys<br>
were more vocal about the MIT EMS money last week than you were about<br>
student engagement. =A0Maybe you should consider joining Finboard instead<b=
r>
of<br>
Senate next time around.<br>
<br>
-hwkns<br>
<br>
<br>
<br></div><div class=3D"im">
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Daniel Hawkins <<a href=3D"mailto:hwkns@=
mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">hwkns@mit.edu</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:h=
wkns@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">hwkns@mit.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=
=3D"im">
<br>
Attached is a bill, in case we want to pass it tonight.<br>
<br>
-hwkns<br>
<br></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Daniel Hawkins <<a href=3D"mailto:hwkns@=
mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">hwkns@mit.edu</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:h=
wkns@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">hwkns@mit.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
Hi Senate,<br>
<br>
A lot of you have e-mailed me and said something to the effect of, "I<=
br>
agree, this is totally screwed up, but is there anything we can do at<br>
this<br>
point?" =A0Maybe there is. =A0While Colombo just wants this to be over=
, I<br>
think<br>
the higher level administration actually wants to get it right. =A0If<br>
we give<br>
them a plan that's doable, they may hold DSL to it.<br>
<br>
We need to brainstorm to see if there is a solution that can actually<br>
incorporate student input AND reach a final decision by the second<br>
week of<br>
May. =A0I've outlined an idea below that might work, and I encourage<br=
>
you to<br>
reply-all and tell me what you think about it, or come up with your<br>
own<br>
idea.<br>
<br>
1. Take minutes (not summaries, minutes) at HDAG meetings and make<br>
the<br>
minutes public.<br>
2. Involve ALL undergrads. =A0This change affects everyone, and<br>
everyone<br>
has ideas. =A0Make a public moira list for discussion, monitor the list<br>
frequently, and respond to questions and concerns raised by students.<br>
3. Set up the Idea Bank NOW. =A0Not by the end of the week, not as soon<br>
as<br>
you can make it look as pretty as you want it to. =A0Now.<br>
4. By April 16, publish a document that includes all positively-rated<br>
ideas from the Idea Bank, with detailed comments on each idea<br>
explaining<br>
whether you plan to implement it and why or why not.<br>
5. Add the detailed comments from #4 to the ideas in the Idea Bank to<br>
which they apply, and let student input continue.<br>
6. By April 30, publish a document that includes all positively-rated<br>
ideas from the Idea Bank, with detailed comments on each new idea<br>
explaining<br>
whether you plan to implement it and why or why not, and with<br>
detailed<br>
responses to any feedback on old ideas.<br>
7. By May 14, publish a document that outlines the new dining plan<br>
and<br>
includes a summary of student input on each topic and the reasoning<br>
behind<br>
the choice that was ultimately made.<br>
<br>
-hwkns<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Adam Bockelie<br>
801.209.7233<br></div></div>
<<a href=3D"mailto:bockelie@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">bockelie@mit.edu<=
/a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bockelie@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">bockel=
ie@mit.edu</a>>><div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering<br>
Class of 2011<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote><div class=3D"im">
<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Adam Bockelie<br>
801.209.7233<br></div>
<<a href=3D"mailto:bockelie@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">bockelie@mit.edu<=
/a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bockelie@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">bockel=
ie@mit.edu</a>>><div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering<br>
Class of 2011<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote><div class=3D"im">
<br>
__________________________________<br>
Alexandra Jordan<br>
<br>
MIT 2011<br>
Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science<br>
Political Science<br>
<br>
</div><a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">amjordan@mit.ed=
u</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">amjo=
rdan@mit.edu</a>><br>
916.813.7740<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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