[532] in UA Senate
Re: Agenda
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Andrew Lukmann)
Mon Apr 5 00:21:51 2010
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 00:21:45 -0400
From: Andrew Lukmann <lukymann@MIT.EDU>
To: Cinjon Resnick <cinjon@mit.edu>
CC: Tim Jenks <trjenks@gmail.com>,
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<jontec@mit.edu>,
UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <w2u1fa34f871004042109s1747c3a6i6601d8f1803569ab@mail.gmail.com>
Cinjon...
Who exactly is "we?" Are you a member of this constitution committee?
Doesn't being actively involved in drafting changes to the constitution
conflict directly with your responsibilities as an impartial and
uninvolved member of JudBoard - and therefore the ability to rule on the
constitutionality of said amendments in the case of any controversy?
It seems that the constitution itself is pretty clear in this regard:
Article 1, Sect. 3, 1a: "Further, none of the JudBoard members shall be
affiliated with any other Undergraduate Association governmental body."
(A UA Committee is a governmental body)
Article 1, Sect. 4, 4c: "At no time shall an officer of this Association
or the Senate collaborate with a member of this board on business of the
Undergraduate Association. However, officers may seek advice on
constitutional
issues from JudBoard members."
$.02 from old crust...
-Andrew L.
Cinjon Resnick wrote:
> The plan was never to say that "you must approve these now." The idea
> is that we are presenting the documents at this meeting with the
> intention of having them sit for a week and open to discussion. Due
> process will of course be followed, especially for something as
> serious as changing the governing documents.
>
> And a side note is that at least for the constitution, unfinished is
> mostly a misnomer. It is still a bit more unclear than we would like
> it (even to release to the Senate) in one section and we are currently
> adjusting that.
>
> - Cinjon,
> Judicial Board Chief
>
> 2010/4/5 Tim Jenks <trjenks@gmail.com <mailto:trjenks@gmail.com>>
>
> Words of Wisdom from Jonte. I think its kind of irresponsible to
> approve reports when we haven't had them in our hands for at least
> 24 hours. I mean, we should be reading these reports (like the
> dining report, hint hint) before we approve them, right?
>
> 2010/4/4 Jonté Craighead <jontec@mit.edu <mailto:jontec@mit.edu>>
>
> I expect we will hear from the interested parties why "we must
> approve them now" despite their unfinished state? Not shooting
> the messenger... I am just stating that I anticipate a
> discussion on this.
>
> Thanks,
> Jonté D. Craighead
>
> UA Senator from Next House
> MIT Class of 2013
> Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
>
> On Apr 4, 2010, at 11:43 PM, Tim Stumbaugh wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure they're ready. I think I've heard that the
> Executive Committee Bylaws will probably not
> > be ready by tomorrow, and I've seen indication that the
> Constitution is not quite finalized.
> >
> > On 4 Apr 2010 23.35, Andrew Lukmann wrote:
> >> Can somebody forward the new Constitution and Executive
> Committee Bylaws
> >> to the list? I'm just curious what the changes are...
> >>
> >> -ATL
> >>
> >> Tim Stumbaugh wrote:
> >>> Hey guys,
> >>> I'm really sorry to do this so late, but I actually forgot
> (just due
> >>> to general incompetence on my part) a couple of agenda items.
> >>> We will be confirming Grant Robinson as UA representative
> to ASA at
> >>> the beginning of the meeting and be presented with the new
> >>> Constitution and Executive Committee Bylaws for us to
> approve (these
> >>> are the reports of the Constitution Committee). I do not
> have the
> >>> reports right now, unfortunately.
> >>>
> >>> Also, I've updated my bylaws-maintenance bill. I am going
> to send out
> >>> a bit of explanation about each clause.
> >>>
> >>> Again, I'm sorry for the delay in this. If you notice any
> other
> >>> errors, please let me know.
> >>>
> >>> On 4 Apr 2010 18.16, Tim Stumbaugh wrote:
> >>>> Hey guys,
> >>>> I have been working on a couple of bills, so I'm sorry
> this took so
> >>>> long.
> >>>> The agenda is at
> >>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2010-04-05.pdf.
> >>>> The relevant legislation should be linked correctly. If I
> messed it up,
> >>>> please let me know.
> >>>>
> >>>> My bills are sort of done. I'll continue to be updating
> them before the
> >>>> meeting tomorrow.
> >>>>
> >>>> See you tomorrow-
> >>
> > --
> > -Tim
> > "There is no ignorance, there is knowledge."
>
>
>
