[490] in UA Senate
Re: Proposed New Business
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sammi Wyman)
Mon Mar 29 12:06:29 2010
Cc: Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu>, "Liz A. Denys" <lizdenys@mit.edu>,
Tim Jenks <tjenks@mit.edu>, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu>,
UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
From: Sammi Wyman <swyman@MIT.EDU>
To: Keone Hon <keone@mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <l2y6241a5d61003290854h271183a7g8a277841b7b765fd@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:06:25 -0400
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The constituent who submitted the request to me can't make it because =20=
she'll be at a seder, but she has emailed out to find someone else to =20=
come in her place.
On Mar 29, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Keone Hon wrote:
> jfyi...they emailed asa-treasurer this morning to ask for their
> allocation decision. i'm sorry we haven't gotten stuff out to
> everyone yet; i would send out the result myself but i don't know it
> (had to leave the lef/arcade meeting before we got to that one).
> hopefully nicole (asa treasurer) should have it shortly.
>
> --
> Keone Hon
> President, Association of Student Activities | MIT Class of 2011
> Dept. of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science | Dept. of =20
> Mathematics
> keone@mit.edu | (407) 536-6346
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu> wrote:
>> Overall, I think this request is rather bloated and unjustified.
>> It has been stated in the past that this event would not be funded =20=
>> directly
>> by Senate in future years. Further, there is no compelling reason =20=
>> that some
>> aspects of it, e.g. the participation fee and t-shirts, should be =20
>> funded by
>> an outside organization at all. Overall, it seems to me as though =20=
>> EMS is
>> either having difficulty tracking its own history (i.e. being told =20=
>> this
>> wouldn't be funded by us in the future) or is attempting to exploit a
>> perceived lack of organizational memory in the Senate itself. In =20
>> the former
>> case, forgetfulness does not justify free funding, and in the =20
>> latter, I feel
>> it would be best to prove them wrong. Either way, based on my =20
>> present
>> knowledge, I cannot support this bill.
>> Like Catherine, I would suggest they do a better job of following =20
>> up with
>> LEF/ARCADE, which are more proper channels for this event than =20
>> Senate. The
>> phrase "haven't heard from" implies a certain passivity that I =20
>> don't think
>> justifies any funding from us, especially given the amount under
>> consideration.
>> Just my 2 cents.
>> Ted
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Liz A. Denys <lizdenys@mit.edu> =20
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, they are including the participation fee in their budget. =20
>>> Shouldn't
>>> that be covered by the participants?
>>>
>>> Is Senate really going to fund t-shirts?
>>>
>>> Sammi Wyman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here is the funding request- Thanks for your patience everyone.
>>>> If there are specific line items you disagree with or you think the
>>>> request is for too much money, I encourage you to propose an =20
>>>> amendment to
>>>> eliminate certain line items, rather than just voting to give =20
>>>> them no
>>>> funding. I've presented the funding request exactly as it was =20
>>>> submitted to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 29, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Tim Jenks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the insight Alex.
>>>>> Sammi, do you have a budget for this event, so we can see a =20
>>>>> breakdown of
>>>>> what the money would be spent on?
>>>>>
>>>>> My initial impressions are that this is a *lot* of money, =20
>>>>> especially to
>>>>> be recurring by precedent, when there are other channels through =20=
>>>>> which
>>>>> funding can or should be obtained.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu
>>>>> <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> While considering this bill, I encourage the Senate to =20
>>>>> consider:
>>>>>
>>>>> =3D=3D Discussion of a similar bill last year =3D=3D
>>>>>
>>>>> The discussion we had of a similar bill by the same group last
>>>>> year (pages 7--8 of
>>>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/minutes/UAS40/2009-03-16.pdf). Some
>>>>> particularly relevant comments, in my mind, include:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Keone Hon: Because you got it last year, it=92s an indication =
=20
>>>>> you
>>>>> likely won=92t this year because coming to the UA for funding =20=
>>>>> isn=92t
>>>>> supposed to be recurring.
>>>>> * The discussion of alternate funding sources. I will note that
>>>>> MIT-EMS applied to LEF and Finboard for this allocation cycle.
>>>>> * The request from Senate is identical in amount to the =20
>>>>> request
>>>>> from LEF (though I don't recall what we decided, and I can't =20=
>>>>> seem
>>>>> to find records anywhere).
>>>>> * The Finboard application didn't really talk about MassCPR =20=
>>>>> much,
>>>>> though it was mentioned. All expected expenses should be =20
>>>>> included
>>>>> in Finboard applications. The relevant line item in the Spring
>>>>> allocations was "CPR classes $500".
>>>>>
>>>>> =3D=3D FPRC report =3D=3D
>>>>> The Financial Policy Review Committee's report, which Senate
>>>>> approved just last meeting
>>>>> (http://web.mit.edu/ua/committee/fprc/report/latest/report.pdf,
>>>>> especially chapter 3, "Senate-managed funds" --- pages 17--19)
>>>>>
>>>>> * "As a result, Senate=92s discussions of discretionary usage =
are
>>>>> often undirected. Over the past few semesters, many discussions
>>>>> rehashed the same sort of philosophical points. Further, the =20=
>>>>> lack
>>>>> of clarity in what Senate Discretionary aimed to fund prompted
>>>>> concerns that those coming to and receiving money from Senate
>>>>> Discretionary were those who knew Senators, rather than those =20=
>>>>> with
>>>>> the best ideas. Clarifying the purpose and intended uses should
>>>>> both allow discussions to be shorter
>>>>> and less repetitive, and give those uninvolved in the UA =20
>>>>> greater
>>>>> confidence as to when the Senate Discretionary Fund is a good
>>>>> source of funding."
>>>>> * "In light of the above, the FPRC recommends that Senate
>>>>> Discretionary Fund focus on funding the following:
>>>>> * Unique requests from students or student groups that do not
>>>>> meet Finboard regulations but either:
>>>>> 1. Benefit a large portion of the entire undergraduate =20
>>>>> student
>>>>> body
>>>>> [...]
>>>>> * Unforeseeable events or initiatives run by student groups
>>>>> (Note: This does not include any events which the group could =20=
>>>>> have
>>>>> handled during a regular Finboard cycle, if the group had been
>>>>> better prepared.)"
>>>>>
>>>>> =3D=3D Budget for the event =3D=3D
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, this seems to be missing from your email. Do you
>>>>> have one that you could forward.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd encourage you to discuss the bill via email.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be at Senate for any in-person discussion of this proposed
>>>>> bill. Should you choose to consider it (which I believe =20
>>>>> requires
>>>>> 2/3 vote due to the late notice), I'd be happy to provide any
>>>>> historical or financial perspective I can, especially if you
>>>>> provide an indication of what you'd like in advance so I can do
>>>>> any relevant research.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Alex Dehnert
>>>>> UA Treasurer
>>>>> Interim Chair, UA History Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/29/2010 01:18 AM, Sammi Wyman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry this is late, guys, but I just got the funding =20
>>>>> request
>>>>> and the event is on April 4th, so I plan to bring up this =20=
>>>>> bill
>>>>> as new business tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =3D
>>>
>>> --
>>> Liz A. Denys
>>> lizdenys@mit.edu
>>
>>
>>
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