[489] in UA Senate
Re: Proposed New Business
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Keone Hon)
Mon Mar 29 11:54:30 2010
In-Reply-To: <6ed15f041003290847i6b4d945ak9ba4979467db00c2@mail.gmail.com>
From: Keone Hon <keone@MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:54:05 -0400
To: Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu>
Cc: "Liz A. Denys" <lizdenys@mit.edu>, Sammi Wyman <swyman@mit.edu>,
Tim Jenks <tjenks@mit.edu>, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu>,
UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
jfyi...they emailed asa-treasurer this morning to ask for their
allocation decision. i'm sorry we haven't gotten stuff out to
everyone yet; i would send out the result myself but i don't know it
(had to leave the lef/arcade meeting before we got to that one).
hopefully nicole (asa treasurer) should have it shortly.
--
Keone Hon
President, Association of Student Activities | MIT Class of 2011
Dept. of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science | Dept. of Mathematics
keone@mit.edu | (407) 536-6346
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu> wrote:
> Overall, I think this request is rather bloated and unjustified.
> It has been stated in the past that this event would not be funded direct=
ly
> by Senate in future years. =A0Further, there is no compelling reason that=
some
> aspects of it, e.g. the participation fee and t-shirts, should be funded =
by
> an outside organization at all. =A0Overall, it seems to me as though EMS =
is
> either having difficulty tracking its own history (i.e. being told this
> wouldn't be funded by us in the future) or is attempting to exploit a
> perceived lack of organizational memory in the Senate itself. =A0In the f=
ormer
> case, forgetfulness does not justify free funding, and in the latter, I f=
eel
> it would be best to prove them wrong. =A0Either way, based on my present
> knowledge, I cannot support this bill.
> Like Catherine, I would suggest they do a better job of following up with
> LEF/ARCADE, which are more proper channels for this event than Senate. =
=A0The
> phrase "haven't heard from" implies a certain passivity that I don't thin=
k
> justifies any funding from us, especially given the amount under
> consideration.
> Just my 2 cents.
> Ted
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Liz A. Denys <lizdenys@mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Also, they are including the participation fee in their budget. Shouldn'=
t
>> that be covered by the participants?
>>
>> Is Senate really going to fund t-shirts?
>>
>> Sammi Wyman wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is the funding request- Thanks for your patience everyone.
>>> If there are specific line items you disagree with or you think the
>>> request is for too much money, I encourage you to propose an amendment =
to
>>> eliminate certain line items, rather than just voting to give them no
>>> funding. =A0I've presented the funding request exactly as it was submit=
ted to
>>> me.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
>>>
>>> =A0On Mar 29, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Tim Jenks wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the insight Alex.
>>>> Sammi, do you have a budget for this event, so we can see a breakdown =
of
>>>> what the money would be spent on?
>>>>
>>>> My initial impressions are that this is a *lot* of money, especially t=
o
>>>> be recurring by precedent, when there are other channels through which
>>>> funding can or should be obtained.
>>>>
>>>> --Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu
>>>> <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0While considering this bill, I encourage the Senate to consider=
:
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0=3D=3D Discussion of a similar bill last year =3D=3D
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0The discussion we had of a similar bill by the same group last
>>>> =A0 =A0year (pages 7--8 of
>>>> =A0 =A0http://web.mit.edu/ua/minutes/UAS40/2009-03-16.pdf). Some
>>>> =A0 =A0particularly relevant comments, in my mind, include:
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0* Keone Hon: Because you got it last year, it=92s an indication=
you
>>>> =A0 =A0likely won=92t this year because coming to the UA for funding i=
sn=92t
>>>> =A0 =A0supposed to be recurring.
>>>> =A0 =A0* The discussion of alternate funding sources. I will note that
>>>> =A0 =A0MIT-EMS applied to LEF and Finboard for this allocation cycle.
>>>> =A0 =A0 * The request from Senate is identical in amount to the reques=
t
>>>> =A0 =A0from LEF (though I don't recall what we decided, and I can't se=
em
>>>> =A0 =A0to find records anywhere).
>>>> =A0 =A0 * The Finboard application didn't really talk about MassCPR mu=
ch,
>>>> =A0 =A0though it was mentioned. All expected expenses should be includ=
ed
>>>> =A0 =A0in Finboard applications. The relevant line item in the Spring
>>>> =A0 =A0allocations was "CPR classes =A0 =A0 =A0 $500".
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0=3D=3D FPRC report =3D=3D
>>>> =A0 =A0The Financial Policy Review Committee's report, which Senate
>>>> =A0 =A0approved just last meeting
>>>> =A0 =A0(http://web.mit.edu/ua/committee/fprc/report/latest/report.pdf,
>>>> =A0 =A0especially chapter 3, "Senate-managed funds" --- pages 17--19)
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0* "As a result, Senate=92s discussions of discretionary usage a=
re
>>>> =A0 =A0often undirected. Over the past few semesters, many discussions
>>>> =A0 =A0rehashed the same sort of philosophical points. Further, the la=
ck
>>>> =A0 =A0of clarity in what Senate Discretionary aimed to fund prompted
>>>> =A0 =A0concerns that those coming to and receiving money from Senate
>>>> =A0 =A0Discretionary were those who knew Senators, rather than those w=
ith
>>>> =A0 =A0the best ideas. Clarifying the purpose and intended uses should
>>>> =A0 =A0both allow discussions to be shorter
>>>> =A0 =A0and less repetitive, and give those uninvolved in the UA greate=
r
>>>> =A0 =A0confidence as to when the Senate Discretionary Fund is a good
>>>> =A0 =A0source of funding."
>>>> =A0 =A0* "In light of the above, the FPRC recommends that Senate
>>>> =A0 =A0Discretionary Fund focus on funding the following:
>>>> =A0 =A0 * Unique requests from students or student groups that do not
>>>> =A0 =A0meet Finboard regulations but either:
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 1. Benefit a large portion of the entire undergraduate stu=
dent
>>>> body
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 [...]
>>>> =A0 =A0 * Unforeseeable events or initiatives run by student groups
>>>> =A0 =A0(Note: This does not include any events which the group could h=
ave
>>>> =A0 =A0handled during a regular Finboard cycle, if the group had been
>>>> =A0 =A0better prepared.)"
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0=3D=3D Budget for the event =3D=3D
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0Unfortunately, this seems to be missing from your email. Do you
>>>> =A0 =A0have one that you could forward.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0I'd encourage you to discuss the bill via email.
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0I'll be at Senate for any in-person discussion of this proposed
>>>> =A0 =A0bill. Should you choose to consider it (which I believe require=
s
>>>> =A0 =A02/3 vote due to the late notice), I'd be happy to provide any
>>>> =A0 =A0historical or financial perspective I can, especially if you
>>>> =A0 =A0provide an indication of what you'd like in advance so I can do
>>>> =A0 =A0any relevant research.
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0Thanks,
>>>> =A0 =A0Alex Dehnert
>>>> =A0 =A0UA Treasurer
>>>> =A0 =A0Interim Chair, UA History Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0On 03/29/2010 01:18 AM, Sammi Wyman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Sorry this is late, guys, but I just got the funding re=
quest
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0and the event is on April 4th, so I plan to bring up th=
is bill
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0as new business tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> =3D
>>
>> --
>> Liz A. Denys
>> lizdenys@mit.edu
>
>
>
