[284] in UA Senate
Re: 41 UAS 5.4 - ASA Bylaws
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tim Jenks)
Mon Nov 9 16:37:16 2009
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:37:00 -0500
From: Tim Jenks <trjenks@gmail.com>
To: Rachel Meyer <remeyer@mit.edu>
Cc: ua-senate@mit.edu
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I'll preface my comments by saying that I'm not overly familiar with the
innards of the ASA, so please correct me if I'm wrong on any points, but
there are a few issues that I'd at least like more information on before
voting on the bill.
If the ASA ever needs to change its bylaws, wouldn't it have to ask Senate
and the GSC to amend their bylaws too to get those changes made? This might
happen only once in a blue moon, but it still seems unnecessary and
excessive.
Also, the other committees are just enumerated in the Senate Bylaws. There
are no other bylaws, mission statements, guidelines on how the committee
should be run within the Senate bylaws. It seems reasonable to me that the
ASA bylaws should be kept in a different document, and the Senate bylaws
should address just the Senate. But the problem arises because the ASA
already operates under its current bylaws, and the GSC has already approved
them, so any changes we made would have to be approved by the GSC too...
--Tim Jenks
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Rachel Meyer <remeyer@mit.edu> wrote:
> Hey, one more time...
>
> As I said in my earlier email: I just wanted to start some threads about
> the
> various pieces of legislation I wrote so we can try to get some questions
> resolved before tonight. Sorry for not doing this sooner - I've been sick.
>
> This bill is at: http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/5/4/.pdf
>
> Basically, I think it would be sorta nice if ASA technically existed and
> was
> recognized.
>
> The ASA Bylaws as posted on the ASA website
> (http://mit.edu/asa/rules/pdf/ASA-Bylaws.pdf) and as they appear in the
> GSC
> Bylaws (http://gsc.mit.edu/index.php/about-gsc/const-bylaw) require that
> the
> bylaws are in both the UA and GSC Bylaws since ASA is a joint committee of
> the
> UA and GSC.
>
> Why in the Senate Bylaws?
> (which are at:
>
> http://web.mit.edu/ua/docs/senate/govdocs/Senate%20Bylaws%20as%20of%20April%2027,%202009.pdf
> )
> This is where the committees are enumerated so it seemed like the
> appropriate
> place for any further bylaws on committees.
>
> Why hasn't this happened previously?
> I don't have a particularly good or complete answer for this... I would
> guess
> that these bylaws may have been viewed as a separate document or as being
> bylaws of the ASA and ASA being a committee of the UA they were already in
> the
> UA bylaws. Whatever the case may be, I think it would be highly beneficial
> for
> these bylaws to be explicitly in one of the 3 main UA governing documents
> and
> this seems like the most appropriate place.
>
>
> Again, please ask any questions, discuss any concerns, etc.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Rachel
>
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I'll preface my comments by saying that I'm not overly familiar wit=
h the innards of the ASA, so please correct me if I'm wrong on any poin=
ts, but there are a few issues that I'd at least like more information =
on before voting on the bill.<br>
<br>If the ASA ever needs to change its bylaws, wouldn't it have to ask=
Senate and the GSC to amend their bylaws too to get those changes made?=A0=
This might happen only once in a blue moon, but it still seems unnecessary=
and excessive.<br>
<br>Also, the other committees are just enumerated in the Senate Bylaws.=A0=
There are no other bylaws, mission statements, guidelines on how the commi=
ttee should be run within the Senate bylaws.=A0 It seems reasonable to me t=
hat the ASA bylaws should be kept in a different document, and the Senate b=
ylaws should address just the Senate.=A0 But the problem arises because the=
ASA already operates under its current bylaws, and the GSC has already app=
roved them, so any changes we made would have to be approved by the GSC too=
...<br>
<br>--Tim Jenks<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Rachel Meyer <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:remeyer@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">remeyer@mit.edu</a>></span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px sol=
id rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey, one more time...<br>
<br>
As I said in my earlier email: =A0I just wanted to start some threads about=
the<br>
various pieces of legislation I wrote so we can try to get some questions<b=
r>
resolved before tonight. =A0Sorry for not doing this sooner - I've been=
sick.<br>
<br>
This bill is at: <a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/5/4/.pdf" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/5/4/.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Basically, I think it would be sorta nice if ASA technically existed and wa=
s<br>
recognized.<br>
<br>
The ASA Bylaws as posted on the ASA website<br>
(<a href=3D"http://mit.edu/asa/rules/pdf/ASA-Bylaws.pdf" target=3D"_blank">=
http://mit.edu/asa/rules/pdf/ASA-Bylaws.pdf</a>) and as they appear in the =
GSC<br>
Bylaws (<a href=3D"http://gsc.mit.edu/index.php/about-gsc/const-bylaw" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://gsc.mit.edu/index.php/about-gsc/const-bylaw</a>) requi=
re that the<br>
bylaws are in both the UA and GSC Bylaws since ASA is a joint committee of =
the<br>
UA and GSC.<br>
<br>
Why in the Senate Bylaws?<br>
(which are at:<br>
<a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/docs/senate/govdocs/Senate%20Bylaws%20as%2=
0of%20April%2027,%202009.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/docs/=
senate/govdocs/Senate%20Bylaws%20as%20of%20April%2027,%202009.pdf</a>)<br>
This is where the committees are enumerated so it seemed like the appropria=
te<br>
place for any further bylaws on committees.<br>
<br>
Why hasn't this happened previously?<br>
I don't have a particularly good or complete answer for this... I would=
guess<br>
that these bylaws may have been viewed as a separate document or as being<b=
r>
bylaws of the ASA and ASA being a committee of the UA they were already in =
the<br>
UA bylaws. =A0Whatever the case may be, I think it would be highly benefici=
al for<br>
these bylaws to be explicitly in one of the 3 main UA governing documents a=
nd<br>
this seems like the most appropriate place.<br>
<br>
<br>
Again, please ask any questions, discuss any concerns, etc.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">Rachel<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br>
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