[1175] in UA Senate
Re: Credit Policy
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alexandra Jordan)
Tue Mar 8 16:58:05 2011
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From: Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:57:42 -0500
To: hwkns@mit.edu
Cc: Anthony Rindone <arindone136@gmail.com>, Timothy Robertson <tim_r@mit.edu>,
"Benjamin I. Shaibu" <bshaibu@mit.edu>, ua-scep-chairs@mit.edu,
ua-senate@mit.edu, ua-scep@mit.edu
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I think we're going to talk about this subject in CoC (Institute Committee
on Curricula). If you have more thoughts or comments, please reply-all or
reply to me.
Alex
___________________________________
Alexandra Jordan
MIT 2011
Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
Political Science
amjordan@mit.edu
916.813.7740
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu> wrote:
> We talked about this during lecture one day in 6.005. The class has a LOT
> of material, and a LOT of project work associated with it, way more than 12
> units. It should probably be two classes. But then one of them would
> probably not be required for the major, and they really think we should be
> learning ALL the things they teach in 6.005, so they just cram more and more
> into the same subject. I assume this is the predicament most high-load
> classes are in. I don't think this problem has an easy solution - the best
> one I can come up with is to make MIT a five-year school, but that's a whole
> different discussion. =\
>
> -hwkns
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Anthony Rindone <arindone136@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think that profs/class administrators are very conscious to this
>> issue and is the reason why such questions are on course evaluations
>> at the end of the class. Unfortunately those evaluations always have
>> trouble getting enough responses and have sample selection issues that
>> bother me (only people who enjoyed the class enough to finish it or do
>> well in the class make up the majority of respondents.)
>>
>> Also, just something to keep in mind, but it is tough enough to
>> balance the classes one wants with the classes required for one's
>> major constrained by only X hours in the day without having to play
>> arithmetic bingo with the number of credits one is taking a term.
>> Rather than have profs adjust the number of CREDITS depending upon
>> course load, I think you should consider recommending adjusting course
>> LOAD depending upon credits.
>>
>> Just a lil' devil's advocate.
>>
>> -Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>
>> wrote:
>> > Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what he is saying. I have heard similar
>> > complaints about course 10 classes. Though this is annoying, I also
>> think
>> > it's safe to say that most HASS classes don't take nearly 12 hrs of work
>> per
>> > week. Thus, any overloaded classes are compensated by the 8 subject HASS
>> > requirement.
>> > ___________________________________
>> > Alexandra Jordan
>> >
>> > MIT 2011
>> > Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
>> > Political Science
>> >
>> > amjordan@mit.edu
>> > 916.813.7740
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Timothy Robertson <tim_r@mit.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Are you saying that some classes have higher work loads than they are
>> >> currently listed as?
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Benjamin I. Shaibu <bshaibu@mit.edu>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> As we were discussing the 10 Suggestions we had for Professors,
>> someone
>> >>> brought up a really good point about how some classes (specifically
>> Course 6
>> >>> classes) have artificially low credit numbers in order to remain part
>> of a
>> >>> Major Requirement. I thought this was a pretty good point and may be
>> >>> something SCEP would be interested in/able to address.
>> >>>
>> >>> When I was speaking with some of my constituents last weekend, they
>> made
>> >>> a similar comment about how they felt Unified warranted more credits
>> than it
>> >>> was worth. While this may not necessarily be a class that needs its
>> credits
>> >>> changed, making sure credits match the hours spent in a class is
>> something
>> >>> SCEP/Senate should consider pursuing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> Ben Shaibu
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Tim Robertson II
>> >> MIT 2011
>> >> Mechanical Engineering
>> >> UA Senate Office Hours:
>> >> EC-B515 Sunday 5-8pm
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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I think we're going to talk about this subject in CoC (Institute Commit=
tee on Curricula). If you have more thoughts or comments, please reply-all =
or reply to me.<div><br></div><div>Alex<br clear=3D"all">__________________=
_________________<br>
Alexandra Jordan<br><br>MIT 2011<br>Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Scien=
ce<br>Political Science<br><br><a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=
=3D"_blank">amjordan@mit.edu</a><br>916.813.7740<br><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Daniel H=
awkins <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:hwkns@mit.edu">hwkns@mit.edu=
</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
We talked about this during lecture one day in 6.005.=A0 The class has a LO=
T of material, and a LOT of project work associated with it, way more than =
12 units.=A0 It should probably be two classes.=A0 But then one of them wou=
ld probably not be required for the major, and they really think we should =
be learning ALL the things they teach in 6.005, so they just cram more and =
more into the same subject.=A0 I assume this is the predicament most high-l=
oad classes are in.=A0 I don't think this problem has an easy solution =
- the best one I can come up with is to make MIT a five-year school, but th=
at's a whole different discussion. =3D\<br>
<br>-hwkns<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Anthony Rindone <span dir=3D"ltr"><=
<a href=3D"mailto:arindone136@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">arindone136@gmai=
l.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
=A0I think that profs/class administrators are very conscious to this<br>
issue and is the reason why such questions are on course evaluations<br>
at the end of the class. Unfortunately those evaluations always have<br>
trouble getting enough responses and have sample selection issues that<br>
bother me (only people who enjoyed the class enough to finish it or do<br>
well in the class make up the majority of respondents.)<br>
<br>
Also, just something to keep in mind, but it is tough enough to<br>
balance the classes one wants with the classes required for one's<br>
major constrained by only X hours in the day without having to play<br>
arithmetic bingo with the number of credits one is taking a term.<br>
Rather than have profs adjust the number of CREDITS depending upon<br>
course load, I think you should consider recommending adjusting course<br>
LOAD depending upon credits.<br>
<br>
Just a lil' devil's advocate.<br>
<br>
-Tony<br>
<div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Alexandra Jordan <<a href=3D"mailto:amjo=
rdan@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">amjordan@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what he is saying. I have heard si=
milar<br>
> complaints about course 10 classes. Though this is annoying, I also th=
ink<br>
> it's safe to say that most HASS classes don't take nearly 12 h=
rs of work per<br>
> week. Thus, any overloaded classes are compensated by the 8 subject HA=
SS<br>
> requirement.<br>
> ___________________________________<br>
> Alexandra Jordan<br>
><br>
> MIT 2011<br>
> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science<br>
> Political Science<br>
><br>
> <a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">amjordan@mit.edu=
</a><br>
> <a href=3D"tel:916.813.7740" target=3D"_blank">916.813.7740</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Timothy Robertson <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:tim_r@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">tim_r@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Are you saying that some classes have higher work loads than they =
are<br>
>> currently listed as?<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Benjamin I. Shaibu <<a href=3D"=
mailto:bshaibu@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">bshaibu@mit.edu</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> As we were discussing the 10 Suggestions we had for Professors=
, someone<br>
>>> brought up a really good point about how some classes (specifi=
cally Course 6<br>
>>> classes) have artificially low credit numbers in order to rema=
in part of a<br>
>>> Major Requirement. I thought this was a pretty good point and =
may be<br>
>>> something SCEP would be interested in/able to address.<br>
>>><br>
>>> When I was speaking with some of my constituents last weekend,=
they made<br>
>>> a similar comment about how they felt Unified warranted more c=
redits than it<br>
>>> was worth. While this may not necessarily be a class that need=
s its credits<br>
>>> changed, making sure credits match the hours spent in a class =
is something<br>
>>> SCEP/Senate should consider pursuing.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Ben Shaibu<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Tim Robertson II<br>
>> MIT 2011<br>
>> Mechanical Engineering<br>
>> UA Senate Office Hours:<br>
>> EC-B515 Sunday 5-8pm<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
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