[1174] in UA Senate
Re: Credit Policy
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Daniel Hawkins)
Tue Mar 8 13:23:18 2011
Reply-To: hwkns@MIT.EDU
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:23:16 -0500
From: Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@MIT.EDU>
To: Anthony Rindone <arindone136@gmail.com>
Cc: Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>, Timothy Robertson <tim_r@mit.edu>,
"Benjamin I. Shaibu" <bshaibu@mit.edu>, ua-scep-chairs@mit.edu,
ua-senate@mit.edu, ua-scep@mit.edu
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We talked about this during lecture one day in 6.005. The class has a LOT
of material, and a LOT of project work associated with it, way more than 12
units. It should probably be two classes. But then one of them would
probably not be required for the major, and they really think we should be
learning ALL the things they teach in 6.005, so they just cram more and more
into the same subject. I assume this is the predicament most high-load
classes are in. I don't think this problem has an easy solution - the best
one I can come up with is to make MIT a five-year school, but that's a whole
different discussion. =\
-hwkns
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Anthony Rindone <arindone136@gmail.com>wrote:
> I think that profs/class administrators are very conscious to this
> issue and is the reason why such questions are on course evaluations
> at the end of the class. Unfortunately those evaluations always have
> trouble getting enough responses and have sample selection issues that
> bother me (only people who enjoyed the class enough to finish it or do
> well in the class make up the majority of respondents.)
>
> Also, just something to keep in mind, but it is tough enough to
> balance the classes one wants with the classes required for one's
> major constrained by only X hours in the day without having to play
> arithmetic bingo with the number of credits one is taking a term.
> Rather than have profs adjust the number of CREDITS depending upon
> course load, I think you should consider recommending adjusting course
> LOAD depending upon credits.
>
> Just a lil' devil's advocate.
>
> -Tony
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu> wrote:
> > Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what he is saying. I have heard similar
> > complaints about course 10 classes. Though this is annoying, I also think
> > it's safe to say that most HASS classes don't take nearly 12 hrs of work
> per
> > week. Thus, any overloaded classes are compensated by the 8 subject HASS
> > requirement.
> > ___________________________________
> > Alexandra Jordan
> >
> > MIT 2011
> > Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
> > Political Science
> >
> > amjordan@mit.edu
> > 916.813.7740
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Timothy Robertson <tim_r@mit.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> Are you saying that some classes have higher work loads than they are
> >> currently listed as?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Benjamin I. Shaibu <bshaibu@mit.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> As we were discussing the 10 Suggestions we had for Professors, someone
> >>> brought up a really good point about how some classes (specifically
> Course 6
> >>> classes) have artificially low credit numbers in order to remain part
> of a
> >>> Major Requirement. I thought this was a pretty good point and may be
> >>> something SCEP would be interested in/able to address.
> >>>
> >>> When I was speaking with some of my constituents last weekend, they
> made
> >>> a similar comment about how they felt Unified warranted more credits
> than it
> >>> was worth. While this may not necessarily be a class that needs its
> credits
> >>> changed, making sure credits match the hours spent in a class is
> something
> >>> SCEP/Senate should consider pursuing.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Ben Shaibu
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tim Robertson II
> >> MIT 2011
> >> Mechanical Engineering
> >> UA Senate Office Hours:
> >> EC-B515 Sunday 5-8pm
> >>
> >
> >
>
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We talked about this during lecture one day in 6.005.=A0 The class has a LO=
T of material, and a LOT of project work associated with it, way more than =
12 units.=A0 It should probably be two classes.=A0 But then one of them wou=
ld probably not be required for the major, and they really think we should =
be learning ALL the things they teach in 6.005, so they just cram more and =
more into the same subject.=A0 I assume this is the predicament most high-l=
oad classes are in.=A0 I don't think this problem has an easy solution =
- the best one I can come up with is to make MIT a five-year school, but th=
at's a whole different discussion. =3D\<br>
<br>-hwkns<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:11 A=
M, Anthony Rindone <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:arindone136@gmai=
l.com">arindone136@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb=
(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
=A0I think that profs/class administrators are very conscious to this<br>
issue and is the reason why such questions are on course evaluations<br>
at the end of the class. Unfortunately those evaluations always have<br>
trouble getting enough responses and have sample selection issues that<br>
bother me (only people who enjoyed the class enough to finish it or do<br>
well in the class make up the majority of respondents.)<br>
<br>
Also, just something to keep in mind, but it is tough enough to<br>
balance the classes one wants with the classes required for one's<br>
major constrained by only X hours in the day without having to play<br>
arithmetic bingo with the number of credits one is taking a term.<br>
Rather than have profs adjust the number of CREDITS depending upon<br>
course load, I think you should consider recommending adjusting course<br>
LOAD depending upon credits.<br>
<br>
Just a lil' devil's advocate.<br>
<br>
-Tony<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Alexandra Jordan <<a href=3D"mailto:amjo=
rdan@mit.edu">amjordan@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what he is saying. I have heard si=
milar<br>
> complaints about course 10 classes. Though this is annoying, I also th=
ink<br>
> it's safe to say that most HASS classes don't take nearly 12 h=
rs of work per<br>
> week. Thus, any overloaded classes are compensated by the 8 subject HA=
SS<br>
> requirement.<br>
> ___________________________________<br>
> Alexandra Jordan<br>
><br>
> MIT 2011<br>
> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science<br>
> Political Science<br>
><br>
> <a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu">amjordan@mit.edu</a><br>
> <a href=3D"tel:916.813.7740">916.813.7740</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Timothy Robertson <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:tim_r@mit.edu">tim_r@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Are you saying that some classes have higher work loads than they =
are<br>
>> currently listed as?<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Benjamin I. Shaibu <<a href=3D"=
mailto:bshaibu@mit.edu">bshaibu@mit.edu</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> As we were discussing the 10 Suggestions we had for Professors=
, someone<br>
>>> brought up a really good point about how some classes (specifi=
cally Course 6<br>
>>> classes) have artificially low credit numbers in order to rema=
in part of a<br>
>>> Major Requirement. I thought this was a pretty good point and =
may be<br>
>>> something SCEP would be interested in/able to address.<br>
>>><br>
>>> When I was speaking with some of my constituents last weekend,=
they made<br>
>>> a similar comment about how they felt Unified warranted more c=
redits than it<br>
>>> was worth. While this may not necessarily be a class that need=
s its credits<br>
>>> changed, making sure credits match the hours spent in a class =
is something<br>
>>> SCEP/Senate should consider pursuing.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Ben Shaibu<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Tim Robertson II<br>
>> MIT 2011<br>
>> Mechanical Engineering<br>
>> UA Senate Office Hours:<br>
>> EC-B515 Sunday 5-8pm<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
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