[570] in UA Exec
Re: Our Bexley Senator
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christopher Sarabalis)
Tue Sep 28 17:14:45 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinEPo4WNaaEY2AowzSChZLJvszz--_cb=jw0WsY@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:14:40 -0400
From: Christopher Sarabalis <dreambig@MIT.EDU>
To: Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>
Cc: fucklounge@mit.edu, b-m-f@mit.edu
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By "Chris could step down and make everything easier" you mean I could step
down and make my impeachment unnecessary.
Yeah I could do that. But if I feel strongly enough to devote hours and
hours of my life to making welders accessible to students and pulling back
the arrival date, a majority of bexlians can spend 10 seconds each signing =
a
piece of paper that says you want to make that goal more difficult to
complete.
We don't need the UA to settle this. There is a paper at Besk. It says *
IMPEACHMENT* on it. Drop by and sign with your name, signature, and
kerberos. If it hits 61 , I resign.
This is no lofty matter and my aspirations are simple. Whether you want to
believe that I'm being as honest as Abe when I say I accepted the seat in
Lincoln's place to more efficiently meet the goals outlined in
bex-residents, where this thread belongs, is a personal matter. I won't
lose sleep over your image of my sincerity.
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu> wrote:
> No matter how much you want to correct, you aren't. Naked Abe Lincoln
> cannot, by definition, win an election because he can't prove registratio=
n
> at MIT. He was originally announced as the winner because he got the most
> votes, and ever winner is given two weeks to prove registration. Naked Ab=
e
> failed to do that, and so the runner-up (Chris) became the Senator-elect.
> Chris became the Senator when he took the Senate oath.
>
> Chris could step down and make everything easier, but he isn't required t=
o
> do that. He took the oath as a Senator, so as far as Senate is concerned,=
he
> can keep representing you until you go through the aforementioned
> impeachment process.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:10 PM, <fucklounge@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> Come again? You're correct about what the rules say, but it's laughable =
to
>> think that Bexxxley is required to come up with any kind of
>> minority/majority to remove Chris as a representative. His candidacy is
>> invalid because he didn't win the election, Naked Abe Lincoln did. The U=
A
>> needs to get their collective head checked, and Chris should have the
>> decency to step down if he really believes in the authority of the UA Se=
nate
>> system and process. Otherwise he's just another resume, padding power
>> mongering d-bag.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Alexandra Jordan wrote:
>>
>> This is wrong. If you would like to impeach Chris, the following is
>> required:
>>
>> Have a method for impeaching your president OR a constitution or set of
>> bylaws that define the procedure for removing a senator. You only need 1=
/3
>> of the dorm to impeach if you can manage to prove that the constitution =
and
>> bylaws are legitimate.
>>
>> Senate Bylaws (which Bexley is now subject to because Chris took the
>> Senator oath):
>>
>> Article III, Section C, Subsection 4:
>> d. A representative may be removed if his or her constituents see gros=
s
>> violations of this
>> section or other rules of the Undergraduate Association that they feel
>> warrant such action.
>> The removal procedure shall be the same process normally used to remove
>> the constituency
>> president unless an alternate method is written in the living group=92s
>> constitution or bylaws.
>> Any alternate method must include explicit consent from at least 1/3rd o=
f
>> the body responsible
>> for electing the constituency president.
>> e. If the removal procedure used violates due process or the preceding
>> section, the removal
>> may be overturned on appeal by the UA Judicial Review Board.
>>
>> Alex
>> ___________________________________
>> Alexandra Jordan
>>
>> MIT 2011
>> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
>> Political Science
>>
>> amjordan@mit.edu
>> 916.813.7740
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ryan S Hodgson <rhodgson@mit.edu>
>> wrote:
>> Dear Bexley,
>> Bexley has a senator, and the biggest question on your mind is what kind
>> of food
>> he is going to provide for us?
>>
>> Why are we even considering this? How can we allow someone who has lived
>> in
>> Bexley for a few weeks to represent us? Some of you seem attracted by hi=
s
>> promises. He is a politician. Of course he says that he is going to be
>> effective.
>>
>> I want to impeach him. The official UA policy is a 2/3 majority of a dor=
m
>> is
>> necessary to impeach a senator. I spoke to our senator last night, and h=
e
>> would
>> be willing to accept impeachment if a majority of Bexley votes to impeac=
h.
>> Details of the process are to follow.
>>
>> At the start of this, 4 people voted for our senator, while a large numb=
er
>> of
>> people voted for Naked Abe Lincoln. But why do people vote for Naked Abe
>> Lincoln? The reasons vary, but I vote for Naked Abe Lincoln because I do
>> not
>> want to be a part of the UA. I do not want Bexley being represented at t=
he
>> UA.
>> Whatever your reason for voting for Naked Abe, let that be your reason t=
o
>> impeach him.
>>
>> -Ryan Hodgson, 312
>>
>
>
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<meta charset=3D"utf-8">By "<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"=
font-family: arial, sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 8.680=
56px; ">Chris could step down and make everything easier"=A0</span>you=
mean I could step down and make my impeachment unnecessary.<div>
<br><div>Yeah I could do that. =A0But if I feel strongly enough to devote h=
ours and hours of my life to making welders accessible to students and pull=
ing back the arrival date, a majority of bexlians can spend 10 seconds each=
signing a piece of paper that says you want to make that goal more difficu=
lt to complete.</div>
<div><br></div><div>We don't need the UA to settle this. There is a pap=
er at Besk. =A0It says <b>IMPEACHMENT</b> on it. =A0Drop by and sign with y=
our name, signature, and kerberos. If it hits 61 , I resign.</div><div><br>
</div><div>This is no lofty matter and my aspirations are simple. =A0Whethe=
r you want to believe that I'm being as honest as Abe when I say I acce=
pted the seat in Lincoln's place to more efficiently meet the goals out=
lined in bex-residents, where this thread belongs, is a personal matter. =
=A0I won't lose sleep over your image of my sincerity.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at =
4:30 PM, Alexandra Jordan <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@=
mit.edu">amjordan@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex;">
No matter how much you want to correct, you aren't. Naked Abe Lincoln c=
annot, by definition, win an election because he can't prove registrati=
on at MIT. He was originally announced as the winner because he got the mos=
t votes, and ever winner is given two weeks to prove registration. Naked Ab=
e failed to do that, and so the runner-up (Chris) became the Senator-elect.=
Chris became the Senator when he took the Senate oath.<br>
<br>Chris could step down and make everything easier, but he isn't requ=
ired to do that. He took the oath as a Senator, so as far as Senate is conc=
erned, he can keep representing you until you go through the aforementioned=
impeachment process. <br clear=3D"all">
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">
<br><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:10 PM, <span =
dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:fucklounge@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">fuc=
klounge@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);=
padding-left:1ex">
Come again? You're correct about what the rules say, but it's laugh=
able to think that Bexxxley is required to come up with any kind of minorit=
y/majority to remove Chris as a representative. His candidacy is invalid be=
cause he didn't win the election, Naked Abe Lincoln did. The UA needs t=
o get their collective head checked, and Chris should have the decency to s=
tep down if he really believes in the authority of the UA Senate system and=
process. Otherwise he's just another resume, padding power mongering d=
-bag.<br>
<div><br>
<br>
On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Alexandra Jordan wrote:<br>
<br>
This is wrong. If you would like to impeach Chris, the following is require=
d:<br>
<br>
Have a method for impeaching your president OR a constitution or set of byl=
aws that define the procedure for removing a senator. You only need 1/3 of =
the dorm to impeach if you can manage to prove that the constitution and by=
laws are legitimate.<br>
<br>
Senate Bylaws (which Bexley is now subject to because Chris took the Senato=
r oath):<br>
<br>
</div><div>Article III, Section C, Subsection 4:<br>
d. =A0 A representative may be removed if his or her constituents see gross=
violations of this<br>
section or other rules of the Undergraduate Association that they feel warr=
ant such action.<br>
The removal procedure shall be the same process normally used to remove the=
constituency<br>
president unless an alternate method is written in the living group=92s con=
stitution or bylaws.<br>
Any alternate method must include explicit consent from at least 1/3rd of t=
he body responsible<br>
for electing the constituency president.<br>
e. =A0 If the removal procedure used violates due process or the preceding =
section, the removal<br>
may be overturned on appeal by the UA Judicial Review Board.<br>
<br>
</div><div>Alex<br>
___________________________________<br>
Alexandra Jordan<br>
<br>
MIT 2011<br>
Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science<br>
Political Science<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">amjordan@mit.edu</a><=
br>
916.813.7740<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div><div><div></div><div>On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ryan S Hodgson=
<<a href=3D"mailto:rhodgson@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">rhodgson@mit.edu=
</a>> wrote:<br>
Dear Bexley,<br>
Bexley has a senator, and the biggest question on your mind is what kind of=
food<br>
he is going to provide for us?<br>
<br>
Why are we even considering this? How can we allow someone who has lived in=
<br>
Bexley for a few weeks to represent us? Some of you seem attracted by his<b=
r>
promises. He is a politician. Of course he says that he is going to be<br>
effective.<br>
<br>
I want to impeach him. The official UA policy is a 2/3 majority of a dorm i=
s<br>
necessary to impeach a senator. I spoke to our senator last night, and he w=
ould<br>
be willing to accept impeachment if a majority of Bexley votes to impeach.<=
br>
Details of the process are to follow.<br>
<br>
At the start of this, 4 people voted for our senator, while a large number =
of<br>
people voted for Naked Abe Lincoln. But why do people vote for Naked Abe<br=
>
Lincoln? The reasons vary, but I vote for Naked Abe Lincoln because I do no=
t<br>
want to be a part of the UA. I do not want Bexley being represented at the =
UA.<br>
Whatever your reason for voting for Naked Abe, let that be your reason to<b=
r>
impeach him.<br>
<br>
-Ryan Hodgson, 312<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>
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