[170] in UA Exec
Re: Notification of 'Printer in the W20 "Game Room"' Project
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tim Jenks)
Sun Dec 6 21:33:04 2009
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0912061504100.30247@dr-wily.mit.edu>
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:32:24 -0500
From: Tim Jenks <trjenks@gmail.com>
To: Quentin Smith <quentin@mit.edu>
Cc: Geoffrey Thomas <geofft@mit.edu>,
"Vrajesh Modi (UA Special Projects Committee)" <ua-projects-chairs@mit.edu>,
ua-senate@mit.edu, ua-exec@mit.edu
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I think this is an excellent idea that would be of great benefit to the
student body. It seems like it has a lot of parallels with the Saferide TV
that we passed in 41 UAS 5.2. This printer project seems be overpriced, its
probably going to run behind schedule, UA members are not ultimately in
control of the project, but when it does happen, it will be awesome.
Because these two projects are similar, i'd appreciate an update on the
project that we spent $5000 on before we allocate the money for this
project. I would also feel a lot better about voting for allocating the
money for this project if I could see an itemized budget with a small
defense for the different parts of the project. Kind of like student groups
have to do for Finboard, and the Treasurer must do for the UA's semesterly
budget. It just seems like a good process to go through. $1000 is not an
insignificant amount of money, and an explanation of where our pennies and
nickels are going would ease my qualms about this money being used
effectively.
$0.02,
--Tim Jenks
Fraternities Representative
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Quentin Smith <quentin@mit.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
>
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009, Quentin Smith wrote:
>>
>> IS&T is funding the purchase of the new printer, which they probably
>>> would have done anyway. I believe the intent is for the UA's money to
>>> contribute only to physical security; this may include adding card access or
>>> electronic passcode locks.
>>>
>>
>> The e-mail containing the funding bill asserts that physical security
>> would cost O($4k).
>>
>
> Right; we're trying to get CAC to contribute as well.
>
>
>
>> You are presuming wrong - the current plan is to put in a fast Xerox
>>> printer.
>>>
>>
>> How much is this printer?
>>
>
> I do not know and I do not think a specific model has been selected yet.
> However, note that the proposal was for 50ppm *duplex*, so >100ppm
> single-sided.
>
>
> The Xerox 4150n on kslprinters.com is $700, and has 45ppm and an 8-second
>> warmup time, for $800. If you compromise a bit more, the 3124 gets you 25ppm
>> and 9 seconds to warm up, for $180. So I'm not seeing the $6.5k proposed
>> budget, and I think it's important that if the UA and not just IS&T
>> participates in this, the budget should be a little more evident.
>>
>
> And the final consideration is how long until the printer breaks. I don't
> expect a $180 printer to last more than O(months) with our abuse. In any
> case, the bulk of the cost will be paid by IS&T.
>
>
> Also, it is likely, though not for sure yet, that w20color will move into
>>> W20-575 and thus there will still be six printers, including a color one.
>>>
>>
>> This is great news! Presumably w20color will then be completely free of
>> charge?
>>
>
> I have no details, but I'm pretty sure it has no charge now either.
>
> --Quentin
>
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I think this is an excellent idea that would be of great benefit to the stu=
dent body.=A0 It seems like it has a lot of parallels with the Saferide TV =
that we passed in 41 UAS 5.2.=A0 This printer project seems be overpriced, =
its probably going to run behind schedule, UA members are not ultimately in=
control of the project, but when it does happen, it will be awesome.=A0 Be=
cause these two projects are similar, i'd appreciate an update on the p=
roject that we spent $5000 on before we allocate the money for this project=
.=A0 I would also feel a lot better about voting for allocating the money f=
or this project if I could see an itemized budget with a small defense for =
the different parts of the project.=A0 Kind of like student groups have to =
do for Finboard, and the Treasurer must do for the UA's semesterly budg=
et.=A0 It just seems like a good process to go through. =A0 $1000 is not an=
insignificant amount of money, and an explanation of where our pennies and=
nickels are going would ease my qualms about this money being used effecti=
vely.<br>
<br>$0.02,<br>--Tim Jenks<br>Fraternities Representative<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Quentin Smith <span dir=3D=
"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:quentin@mit.edu">quentin@mit.edu</a>></span>=
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"im"=
>On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009, Quentin Smith wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
IS&T is funding the purchase of the new printer, which they probably wo=
uld have done anyway. I believe the intent is for the UA's money to con=
tribute only to physical security; this may include adding card access or e=
lectronic passcode locks.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
The e-mail containing the funding bill asserts that physical security would=
cost O($4k).<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Right; we're trying to get CAC to contribute as well.<div class=3D"im">=
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
You are presuming wrong - the current plan is to put in a fast Xerox printe=
r.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
How much is this printer?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
I do not know and I do not think a specific model has been selected yet. Ho=
wever, note that the proposal was for 50ppm *duplex*, so >100ppm single-=
sided.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
The Xerox 4150n on <a href=3D"http://kslprinters.com" target=3D"_blank">ksl=
printers.com</a> is $700, and has 45ppm and an 8-second warmup time, for $8=
00. If you compromise a bit more, the 3124 gets you 25ppm and 9 seconds to =
warm up, for $180. So I'm not seeing the $6.5k proposed budget, and I t=
hink it's important that if the UA and not just IS&T participates i=
n this, the budget should be a little more evident.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
And the final consideration is how long until the printer breaks. I don'=
;t expect a $180 printer to last more than O(months) with our abuse. In any=
case, the bulk of the cost will be paid by IS&T.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin=
: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Also, it is likely, though not for sure yet, that w20color will move into W=
20-575 and thus there will still be six printers, including a color one.<br=
>
</blockquote>
<br>
This is great news! Presumably w20color will then be completely free of cha=
rge?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
I have no details, but I'm pretty sure it has no charge now either.<br>=
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<br>
--Quentin<br>
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