[1399] in UA Exec
Re: Ambulance Confidentiality
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Thu Sep 27 12:49:35 2012
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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jont=E9_Craighead?= <jontec@MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:49:11 -0400
To: Katy Gero <kgero@mit.edu>
Cc: Jessica H Lowell <jessiehl@mit.edu>, Michael E Plasmeier <theplaz@mit.edu>,
"ua-exec@mit.edu" <ua-exec@mit.edu>
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Hi, Katy:
Thanks again for bringing this up. We're working on a lot of things right
now, so let me try to get back to everyone by midday tomorrow.
Thanks,
Jont=E9 Craighead
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Katy Gero <kgero@mit.edu> wrote:
> While I have gotten several very helpful responses from individuals, and
> am now somehow meeting with Barbara Baker, I have not gotten any response
> from a current UA exec member that this is something they are interested =
in
> discussing or pursuing.
>
> I most certainly cannot tackle this kind of thing myself and what will
> happen is I will find out as much as I can and that will merely increase =
my
> understanding of how the institute works. I would love it if someone in t=
he
> UA thought this was important, because I got several different responses =
to
> my email and they were not entirely consistent -- I don't believe these
> policies are consistent and hence everyone is, in some, correct, which I
> find worrisome when trying to understand how hypothetical situations will
> be dealt with. However, if the UA is uninterested then I will drop it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Katy
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Katy Gero <kgero@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> I would like to note that I am in no way suggesting that we should
>> broadcast this data and imply that people should not call 100. I am not
>> here to scaremonger and I always and will continue to encourage people t=
o
>> call 100 in an emergency situation. However, upon hearing of these thing=
s,
>> I believe that it is an issue the UA should be aware of and discussing.
>>
>> Katy
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Jessica H Lowell <jessiehl@mit.edu>wrot=
e:
>>
>>> Wow, this is the first time in several years I've contributed to a UA
>>> discussion
>>> (I guess ua-discuss was cced on this?).
>>>
>>> When I was in the UA I poked a little bit at the fact that you have to =
go
>>> through campus police to get EMTs. That went absolutely nowhere; the
>>> idea of
>>> *actual* confidential medical help was a non-starter. I've since
>>> learned,
>>> doing volunteer medical work, that "If you summon emergency medical hel=
p
>>> you
>>> might also get cops" is also a significant barrier to people getting
>>> medical
>>> help in the "real world".
>>>
>>> I did not know about the involvement of the Dean on Call, etc (has that
>>> always
>>> been the case or is that relatively new?). IMO that is pretty terrible
>>> and if
>>> the UA successfully picked it up that would be good for students. A bi=
t
>>> of
>>> crufty anecdata - I brought this issue up on my zephyr class after
>>> seeing this
>>> thread, and every single person who responded was horrified at the idea
>>> that so
>>> many people could be in the loop on this, and most said that if they'd
>>> known
>>> that as undergrads it would have affected their willingness to call 100
>>> in an
>>> emergency situation.
>>>
>>> - Jessie
>>> UA Senator 2004-2005, 2006-2007
>>> UAVP 2005-2006
>>>
>>> Quoting Michael E Plasmeier <theplaz@MIT.EDU>:
>>>
>>> Don't leave many details on the phone call...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: katystreet@gmail.com [mailto:katystreet@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Katy Gero
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:52 PM
>>>> To: ua-exec@mit.edu
>>>> Subject: Ambulance Confidentiality
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone that is on this mailing list,
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if this is not the correct mailing list to use for this
>>>> issue. I recently learned that when you call campus police at 100 all
>>>> details from that call are reported to the Dean on Call, who is not in=
any
>>>> way bound by confidentiality. (The list of people a Dean on Call might=
tell
>>>> is quite large, and includes, I think, other Deans on Call, S^3, Dean
>>>> Humphrey's, Barbara Baker...) So while the EMTs are completely
>>>> confidential, you can only call the EMTs through campus police. This i=
s
>>>> pretty upsetting to me, since I have generally been told that calling =
an
>>>> ambulance is confidential and is something I tell others to encourage =
them
>>>> to call 100 in an emergency situation.
>>>>
>>>> I would be pretty upset if S^3 based their decision of what to do with
>>>> me because of on an incident I was involved with when the EMTs were ca=
lled.
>>>>
>>>> I also recently learned that the Good Samaritan policy only applies to
>>>> alcohol related incidents. I have similar feelings towards this.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if this is an issue the UA wants to pick up, but I would
>>>> be in support of looking into these policies.
>>>>
>>>> Katy Gero
>>>> Senior Haus President and Former UA Senate Member
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Hi, Katy:<br><br>Thanks again for bringing this up. We're working on a =
lot of things right now, so let me try to get back to everyone by midday to=
morrow.<br><br clear=3D"all">Thanks,<br>Jont=E9 Craighead<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Katy Gero <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:kgero@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">kgero@mit.edu</a>></span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
While I have gotten several very helpful responses from individuals, and am=
now somehow meeting with Barbara Baker, I have not gotten any response fro=
m a current UA exec member that this is something they are interested in di=
scussing or pursuing. <br>
<br>I most certainly cannot tackle this kind of thing myself and what will =
happen is I will find out as much as I can and that will merely increase my=
understanding of how the institute works. I would love it if someone in th=
e UA thought this was important, because I got several different responses =
to my email and they were not entirely consistent -- I don't believe th=
ese policies are consistent and hence everyone is, in some, correct, which =
I find worrisome when trying to understand how hypothetical situations will=
be dealt with. However, if the UA is uninterested then I will drop it.<br>
<br>Thanks,<br><br>Katy<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div=
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Katy Gero <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kgero@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">kgero@mit.e=
du</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I would like to note that I am in no way suggesting that we should broadcas=
t this data and imply that people should not call 100. I am not here to sca=
remonger and I always and will continue to encourage people to call 100 in =
an emergency situation. However, upon hearing of these things, I believe th=
at it is an issue the UA should be aware of and discussing.<span><font colo=
r=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>Katy</font></span><div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, =
Sep 25, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Jessica H Lowell <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"=
mailto:jessiehl@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">jessiehl@mit.edu</a>></span> =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Wow, this is the first time in several years I've contributed to a UA d=
iscussion<br>
(I guess ua-discuss was cced on this?).<br>
<br>
When I was in the UA I poked a little bit at the fact that you have to go<b=
r>
through campus police to get EMTs. =A0That went absolutely nowhere; the ide=
a of<br>
*actual* confidential medical help was a non-starter. =A0I've since lea=
rned,<br>
doing volunteer medical work, that "If you summon emergency medical he=
lp you<br>
might also get cops" is also a significant barrier to people getting m=
edical<br>
help in the "real world".<br>
<br>
I did not know about the involvement of the Dean on Call, etc (has that alw=
ays<br>
been the case or is that relatively new?). =A0IMO that is pretty terrible a=
nd if<br>
the UA successfully picked it up that would be good for students. =A0A bit =
of<br>
crufty anecdata - I brought this issue up on my zephyr class after seeing t=
his<br>
thread, and every single person who responded was horrified at the idea tha=
t so<br>
many people could be in the loop on this, and most said that if they'd =
known<br>
that as undergrads it would have affected their willingness to call 100 in =
an<br>
emergency situation.<br>
<br>
- Jessie<br>
UA Senator 2004-2005, 2006-2007<br>
UAVP 2005-2006<br>
<br>
Quoting Michael E Plasmeier <<a href=3D"mailto:theplaz@MIT.EDU" target=
=3D"_blank">theplaz@MIT.EDU</a>>:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Don't leave many details on the phone call...<div><div><br>
<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:katystreet@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">katystreet@=
gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:katystreet@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">katystreet@gmail.com</a>] On Behalf Of Katy Gero<br>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:52 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:ua-exec@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua-exec@mit.edu</a=
><br>
Subject: Ambulance Confidentiality<br>
<br>
Hello everyone that is on this mailing list,<br>
<br>
Let me know if this is not the correct mailing list to use for this issue. =
I recently learned that when you call campus police at 100 all details from=
that call are reported to the Dean on Call, who is not in any way bound by=
confidentiality. (The list of people a Dean on Call might tell is quite la=
rge, and includes, I think, other Deans on Call, S^3, Dean Humphrey's, =
Barbara Baker...) So while the EMTs are completely confidential, you can on=
ly call the EMTs through campus police. This is pretty upsetting to me, sin=
ce I have generally been told that calling an ambulance is confidential and=
is something I tell others to encourage them to call 100 in an emergency s=
ituation.<br>
<br>
I would be pretty upset if S^3 based their decision of what to do with me b=
ecause of on an incident I was involved with when the EMTs were called.<br>
<br>
I also recently learned that the Good Samaritan policy only applies to alco=
hol related incidents. I have similar feelings towards this.<br>
<br>
I'm not sure if this is an issue the UA wants to pick up, but I would b=
e in support of looking into these policies.<br>
<br>
Katy Gero<br>
Senior Haus President and Former UA Senate Member<br>
<br>
<br>
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