[96189] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: UK ISP threatens security researcher
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sat Apr 21 15:07:00 2007
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704201025540.22917-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
Cc: Gadi Evron <ge@linuxbox.org>,
Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>, <nanog@merit.edu>
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:02:45 -0700
To: alex@pilosoft.com
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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> I think if you are referring to "public disclosure", yes, I think
> there's
> little point of doing this, unless you are seeking attention. Of
> course,
> reporting a problem to vendor privately always makes sense.
Public disclosure of the existence of a vulnerability and whatever
information is required to understand it well enough to mitigate
it, resolve it, or work around it is a good and useful thing.
Public disclosure of details of how to exploit the vulnerability
beyond what is required in my previous paragraph is not
useful and is both rude and counterproductive. Generally,
however, I do not think it should be actionable or criminal.
If you leave your front door unlocked, that's dumb. If I tell you
that you left your front door unlocked, that's a good thing.
If I tell your neighbors that you left your front door unlocked,
it's not necessarily helpful, but, it's not illegal, nor should it be.
OTOH, if you buy your lock from LockCo and I discover that
there is a key pattern that will open ALL LockCo locks, then,
it's good if I tell LockCo about that. It's better if I also tell
the public so that people who choose to can either have
their locks repaired or can replace them if they so choose.
If I tell the public the exact key pattern required, that's not
so good, but, it's not illegal and it shouldn't be illegal or
actionable. Now, if I used stolen LockCo engineering
diagrams to identify the key pattern in question, the use
of the stolen diagrams might be actionable and/or criminal.
Owen
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