[94131] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gian Constantine)
Wed Jan 10 08:54:49 2007
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Cc: "Marshall Eubanks" <tme@multicasttech.com>, nanog@merit.edu
From: Gian Constantine <constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:46:30 -0500
To: kuhtzch@corp.earthlink.net
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Many of the small carriers, who are doing IPTV in the U.S., have
acquired their content rights through a consortium, which has since
closed its doors to new membership.
I cannot stress this enough: content is the key to a good industry-
changing business model. Broad appeal content will gain broad
interest. Broad interest will change the playing field and compel
content providers to consider alternative consumption/delivery models.
The ILECs are going to do it. They have deep pockets. Look at how
quickly they were able to get franchising laws adjusted to allow them
to offer video.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:30 AM, Christian Kuhtz wrote:
> Marshall,
>
> I completely agree, and due diligence on business models will show
> that fact very clearly. And nothing much has changed here in terms
> of substance over the last 4+ yrs either. Costs and opportunities
> have changed or evolved rather, but not the mechanics.
>
> Infrastructure capital is very much the gating factor in every
> major video distribution infrastructure (and the reason why DOCSIS
> 3.0 is just such a neato thing). The carriage deals are merely
> table stakes, and that doesn't mean they're easy. They are
> obtainable.
>
> And some business models are just fundamentally broken.
>
> Examples for infrastructure costs are size of CSA's or cost
> upgrading CPE is a far bigger deal than carriage. And if you can't
> get into RT's in a ILEC colo arrangement, that doesn't per se
> globally invalidate business models, but rather provides unique
> challenges and limitations on a given specific business model.
>
> What has changed is that ppl are actually 'doing it'. And that
> proves that several models are viable for funding in all sorts of
> flavors and risks.
>
> IPTV is fundamentally subject to the analog fallacies of VoIP
> replacing 1FR/1BR service on 1:1 basis (toll arbitrage or anomalies
> aside). There seems to be plenty of that. A new IP service
> offering no unique features over specialzed and depreciated
> infrastructure will not be viable until commoditized and not at an
> early maturity level like where IPTV is at.
>
> Unless an IPTV service offers a compelling cost advantage, mass
> adoption will not occur. And any cost increase will have to be
> justifiable to consumers, and that cannot be underestimated.
>
> But, some just continue to ignore those fundamentals and those
> business models will fail. And we should be thankful for that self
> cleansing action of a functioning market.
>
> Enough rambling after a long day at CES, I suppose. Thanks for
> reading this far.
>
> Best regards,
> Christian
>
> --
> Sent from my BlackBerry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com>
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:52:06
> To:Gian Constantine <constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net>
> Cc:Bora Akyol <bora@broadcom.com>,"Simon Lockhart"
> <simon@slimey.org>, Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com,nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day,
> continuously?
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Gian Constantine wrote:
>
>> It would not be any easier. The negotiations are very complex. The
>> issue is not one of infrastructure capex. It is one of jockeying
>> between content providers (big media conglomerates) and the video
>> service providers (cable companies).
>
> Not necessarily. Depends on your business model.
>
> Regards
> Marshall
>
>>
>> Gian Anthony Constantine
>> Senior Network Design Engineer
>> Earthlink, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Bora Akyol wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> An additional point to consider is that it takes a lot of effort and
>>> $$$$ to get a channel allocated to your content in a cable network.
>>>
>>> This is much easier when TV is being distributed over the Internet.
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On
>>>> Behalf Of Simon Lockhart
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:42 PM
>>>> To: Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com
>>>> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
>>>> Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a
>>>> day, continuously?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 07:52:02AM +0000,
>>>> Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com wrote:
>>>>> Given that the broadcast model for streaming content
>>>>> is so successful, why would you want to use the
>>>>> Internet for it? What is the benefit?
>>>>
>>>> How many channels can you get on your (terrestrial) broadcast
>>>> receiver?
>>>>
>>>> If you want more, your choices are satellite or cable. To get
>>>> cable, you
>>>> need to be in a cable area. To get satellite, you need to
>>>> stick a dish on
>>>> the side of your house, which you may not want to do, or may
>>>> not be allowed
>>>> to do.
>>>>
>>>> With IPTV, you just need a phoneline (and be close enough to
>>>> the exchange/CO
>>>> to get decent xDSL rate). In the UK, I'm already delivering
>>>> 40+ channels over
>>>> IPTV (over inter-provider multicast, to any UK ISP that wants it).
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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<HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; =
-khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Many of the small carriers, who =
are doing IPTV in the U.S., have acquired their content rights through a =
consortium, which has since closed its doors to new membership.<DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I cannot stress this =
enough: content is the key to a good industry-changing business model. =
Broad appeal content will gain broad interest. Broad interest will =
change the playing field and compel content providers to consider =
alternative consumption/delivery models.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The ILECs are going to do =
it. They have deep pockets. Look at how quickly they were able to get =
franchising laws adjusted to allow them to offer video.<DIV><BR><DIV> =
<SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
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white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>Gian Anthony =
Constantine</DIV><DIV>Senior Network Design =
Engineer</DIV><DIV>Earthlink, =
Inc.</DIV></SPAN></SPAN></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:30 AM, =
Christian Kuhtz wrote:</DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Marshall,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I completely agree, and due =
diligence on business models will show that fact very clearly.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>And nothing much has changed =
here in terms of substance over the last 4+ yrs either.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Costs and opportunities have =
changed or evolved rather, but not the mechanics. <SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Infrastructure capital is very much the gating factor in every major =
video distribution infrastructure (and the reason why DOCSIS 3.0 is just =
such a neato thing).<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>The =
carriage deals are merely table stakes, and that doesn't mean they're =
easy.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>They are =
obtainable.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">And some business models are just fundamentally =
broken.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Examples for infrastructure costs are size of CSA's =
or cost upgrading CPE is a far bigger deal than carriage.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>And if you can't get into =
RT's in a ILEC colo arrangement, that doesn't per se globally invalidate =
business models, but rather provides unique challenges and limitations =
on a given specific business model.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">What has changed is that ppl are =
actually 'doing it'.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>And =
that proves that several models are viable for funding in all sorts of =
flavors and risks.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">IPTV is fundamentally subject to =
the analog fallacies of VoIP replacing 1FR/1BR service on 1:1 basis =
(toll arbitrage or anomalies aside).<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>There seems to be plenty of =
that.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>A new IP service =
offering no unique features over specialzed and depreciated =
infrastructure will not be viable until commoditized and not at an early =
maturity level like where IPTV is at.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Unless an =
IPTV service offers a compelling cost advantage, mass adoption will not =
occur.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>And any cost =
increase will have to be justifiable to consumers, and that cannot be =
underestimated.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">But, some just continue to ignore those fundamentals =
and those business models will fail.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>And we should be thankful for =
that self cleansing action of a functioning market.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Enough =
rambling after a long day at CES, I suppose.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Thanks for reading this =
far.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Best regards,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Christian</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">--</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sent from my BlackBerry. =
<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">-----Original Message-----</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: =
Marshall Eubanks <<A =
href=3D"mailto:tme@multicasttech.com">tme@multicasttech.com</A>></DIV><=
DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:52:06<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To:Gian =
Constantine <<A =
href=3D"mailto:constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net">constantinegi@corp.earthl=
ink.net</A>></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cc:Bora Akyol <<A =
href=3D"mailto:bora@broadcom.com">bora@broadcom.com</A>>,"Simon =
Lockhart" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:simon@slimey.org">simon@slimey.org</A>>, <A =
href=3D"mailto:Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com">Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com<=
/A>,<A href=3D"mailto:nanog@merit.edu">nanog@merit.edu</A></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 =
gigabytes a day, continuously?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Jan =
9, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Gian Constantine wrote:</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">It would not be any easier. The =
negotiations are very complex. The <SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">issue is =
not one of infrastructure capex. It is one of jockeying <SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">between =
content providers (big media conglomerates) and the video <SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">service =
providers (cable companies).</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Not =
necessarily. Depends on your business model.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Regards</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Marshall</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Gian Anthony Constantine</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Senior Network Design Engineer</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Earthlink, Inc.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Bora Akyol =
wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> =
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Simon</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">An =
additional point to consider is that it takes a lot of effort =
and</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">$$$$ to get a channel allocated =
to your content in a cable network.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">This is much easier when TV is =
being distributed over the Internet.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> =
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-----Original =
Message-----</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [<A =
href=3D"mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu">mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu</A>] =
On</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Behalf Of Simon Lockhart</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:42 PM</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">To: <A =
href=3D"mailto:Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com">Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com<=
/A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cc: <A =
href=3D"mailto:nanog@merit.edu">nanog@merit.edu</A></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 =
gigabytes a</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">day, continuously?</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Tue Jan =
09, 2007 at 07:52:02AM +0000,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"mailto:Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com">Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com<=
/A> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Given =
that the broadcast model for streaming content</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">is so successful, why would you want to use =
the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Internet for it? What is the =
benefit?</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">How many channels can you get on =
your (terrestrial) broadcast</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">receiver?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">If you want more, your choices are satellite or =
cable. To get</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">cable, you</DIV><DIV =
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need to</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
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do, or may</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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phoneline (and be close enough to</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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exchange/CO</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to get decent xDSL rate). In the =
UK, I'm already delivering</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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over</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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