[94130] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gian Constantine)
Wed Jan 10 08:38:45 2007
In-Reply-To: <81625D15-3433-4038-A504-A11FE2C08931@multicasttech.com>
Cc: Bora Akyol <bora@broadcom.com>,
"Simon Lockhart" <simon@slimey.org>, Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com,
nanog@merit.edu
From: Gian Constantine <constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:37:16 -0500
To: Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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I think it depends more on one's position within the industry and the
depth of their pockets.
Every business model will depend on the type of content one can offer
to subscribers. While their is a market for niche content, which is
relatively easy and cheap to acquire, the returns are small. Smaller
market will translate to smaller returns. For a small company this
may be fine. But, this model will unlikely revolutionize the video
distribution industry. Content with broad appeal is extremely
difficult and expensive to acquire. Ultimately, this dictates the
business model.
It is going to take a substantial amount of time to refocus the
entrenched culture of content providers on new delivery methods.
Often the terms content providers present are too cumbersome and
restrictive to allow a profitable business case.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
Office: 404-748-6207
Cell: 404-808-4651
Internal Ext: x22007
constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net
On Jan 10, 2007, at 1:52 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Gian Constantine wrote:
>
>> It would not be any easier. The negotiations are very complex. The
>> issue is not one of infrastructure capex. It is one of jockeying
>> between content providers (big media conglomerates) and the video
>> service providers (cable companies).
>
> Not necessarily. Depends on your business model.
>
> Regards
> Marshall
>
>>
>> Gian Anthony Constantine
>> Senior Network Design Engineer
>> Earthlink, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Bora Akyol wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> An additional point to consider is that it takes a lot of effort and
>>> $$$$ to get a channel allocated to your content in a cable network.
>>>
>>> This is much easier when TV is being distributed over the Internet.
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On
>>>> Behalf Of Simon Lockhart
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:42 PM
>>>> To: Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com
>>>> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
>>>> Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a
>>>> day, continuously?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 07:52:02AM +0000,
>>>> Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com wrote:
>>>>> Given that the broadcast model for streaming content
>>>>> is so successful, why would you want to use the
>>>>> Internet for it? What is the benefit?
>>>>
>>>> How many channels can you get on your (terrestrial) broadcast
>>>> receiver?
>>>>
>>>> If you want more, your choices are satellite or cable. To get
>>>> cable, you
>>>> need to be in a cable area. To get satellite, you need to
>>>> stick a dish on
>>>> the side of your house, which you may not want to do, or may
>>>> not be allowed
>>>> to do.
>>>>
>>>> With IPTV, you just need a phoneline (and be close enough to
>>>> the exchange/CO
>>>> to get decent xDSL rate). In the UK, I'm already delivering
>>>> 40+ channels over
>>>> IPTV (over inter-provider multicast, to any UK ISP that wants it).
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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<HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; =
-khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I think it depends more on one's =
position within the industry and the depth of their pockets.<DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Every business model will =
depend on the type of content one can offer to subscribers. While their =
is a market for niche content, which is relatively easy and cheap to =
acquire, the returns are small. Smaller market will translate to smaller =
returns. For a small company this may be fine. But, this model will =
unlikely revolutionize the video distribution industry. Content with =
broad appeal is extremely difficult and expensive to acquire. =
Ultimately, this dictates the business model.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It is going to take a =
substantial amount of time to refocus the entrenched culture of content =
providers on new delivery methods. Often the terms content providers =
present are too cumbersome and restrictive to allow a profitable =
business case.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><DIV> <SPAN =
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white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>Gian Anthony =
Constantine</DIV><DIV>Senior Network Design =
Engineer</DIV><DIV>Earthlink, Inc.</DIV><DIV>Office: =
404-748-6207</DIV><DIV>Cell: 404-808-4651</DIV><DIV>Internal Ext: =
x22007</DIV><DIV><A =
href=3D"mailto:constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net">constantinegi@corp.earthl=
ink.net</A></DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR =
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</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jan 10, 2007, at 1:52 AM, Marshall Eubanks =
wrote:</DIV><BR class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Jan =
9, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Gian Constantine wrote:</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">It would not be any easier. The =
negotiations are very complex. The issue is not one of infrastructure =
capex. It is one of jockeying between content providers (big media =
conglomerates) and the video service providers (cable companies).</DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Not necessarily. Depends on your business =
model.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Regards</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Marshall</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> =
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Gian Anthony =
Constantine</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Senior Network Design =
Engineer</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Earthlink, Inc.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Jan 9, =
2007, at 7:57 PM, Bora Akyol wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Simon</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">An additional point to consider is that it takes a =
lot of effort and</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">$$$$ to get a channel allocated =
to your content in a cable network.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">This is much easier when TV is =
being distributed over the Internet.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> =
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-----Original =
Message-----</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [<A =
href=3D"mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu">mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu</A>] =
On</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Behalf Of Simon Lockhart</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:42 PM</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">To: <A =
href=3D"mailto:Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com">Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com<=
/A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cc: <A =
href=3D"mailto:nanog@merit.edu">nanog@merit.edu</A></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 =
gigabytes a</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">day, continuously?</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
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min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Tue Jan =
09, 2007 at 07:52:02AM +0000,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"mailto:Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com">Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com<=
/A> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Given =
that the broadcast model for streaming content</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">is so successful, why would you want to use =
the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Internet for it? What is the =
benefit?</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">How many channels can you get on =
your (terrestrial) broadcast</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">receiver?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">If you want more, your choices are satellite or =
cable. To get</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">cable, you</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">need to be in a cable area. To get satellite, you =
need to</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">stick a dish on</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">the side of your house, which you may not want to =
do, or may</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">not be allowed</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">to do.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">With IPTV, you just need a =
phoneline (and be close enough to</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the =
exchange/CO</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to get decent xDSL rate). In the =
UK, I'm already delivering</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">40+ channels =
over</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">IPTV (over inter-provider =
multicast, to any UK ISP that wants it).</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Simon</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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