[94108] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gian Constantine)
Tue Jan 9 20:41:31 2007
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Cc: "Simon Lockhart" <simon@slimey.org>,
Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com, nanog@merit.edu
From: Gian Constantine <constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:40:24 -0500
To: Bora Akyol <bora@broadcom.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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It would not be any easier. The negotiations are very complex. The
issue is not one of infrastructure capex. It is one of jockeying
between content providers (big media conglomerates) and the video
service providers (cable companies).
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Bora Akyol wrote:
>
> Simon
>
> An additional point to consider is that it takes a lot of effort and
> $$$$ to get a channel allocated to your content in a cable network.
>
> This is much easier when TV is being distributed over the Internet.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On
>> Behalf Of Simon Lockhart
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:42 PM
>> To: Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com
>> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
>> Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a
>> day, continuously?
>>
>>
>> On Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 07:52:02AM +0000,
>> Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com wrote:
>>> Given that the broadcast model for streaming content
>>> is so successful, why would you want to use the
>>> Internet for it? What is the benefit?
>>
>> How many channels can you get on your (terrestrial) broadcast
>> receiver?
>>
>> If you want more, your choices are satellite or cable. To get
>> cable, you
>> need to be in a cable area. To get satellite, you need to
>> stick a dish on
>> the side of your house, which you may not want to do, or may
>> not be allowed
>> to do.
>>
>> With IPTV, you just need a phoneline (and be close enough to
>> the exchange/CO
>> to get decent xDSL rate). In the UK, I'm already delivering
>> 40+ channels over
>> IPTV (over inter-provider multicast, to any UK ISP that wants it).
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>
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negotiations are very complex. The issue is not one of infrastructure =
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</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Bora Akyol =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Simon</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">An additional point to consider =
is that it takes a lot of effort and</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">This is much =
easier when TV is being distributed over the Internet.</DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; ">-----Original Message-----</DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; ">From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [<A =
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On<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Behalf Of Simon Lockhart</DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:42 PM</DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 =
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margin-left: 0px; ">day, continuously?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
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that the broadcast model for streaming content</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">is so successful, why would you want to use =
the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Internet for it? What is the =
benefit?</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">How many channels can you get on =
your (terrestrial) broadcast<SPAN =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">If you want more, your choices are satellite or =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">need to =
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">stick a =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">the side of your house, which you may not want to =
do, or may<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
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do.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">With IPTV, you just need a phoneline (and be close =
enough to<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">the exchange/CO</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to get decent =
xDSL rate). In the UK, I'm already delivering<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">40+ =
channels over</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">IPTV (over inter-provider =
multicast, to any UK ISP that wants it).</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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">Simon</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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