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Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alex Rubenstein)
Fri Jun 16 21:26:02 2006
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:25:37 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
From: Alex Rubenstein <alex@nac.net>
To: Jeff Shultz <jeffshultz@wvi.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <4493519D.7020801@wvi.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
When I made my posting, I didn't know the context was google in Oregon. I
missed that somehow.
Anyway, the dam referenced below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dalles_Dam
And the power generated from the region:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectric_dams_on_the_Columbia_River
Seems like a good place to setup a datacenter.
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Jeff Shultz wrote:
>
> David Lesher wrote:
>>
>> Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
>>>
>>>> I wonder just how much power it takes to cool 450,000 servers.
>> .....
>>> KwH = $111,000 /month in cooling.
>>
>> I don't know the area; but gather it's hydro territory?
>>
>> How about water-source heat pumps? It's lots easier to cool
>> 25C air into say 10-15C water than into 30C outside air.
>>
>> Open loop water source systems do have their issues [algae, etc]
>> but can save a lot of power....
>>
>>
>
> The Dalles, OR is on the Columbia River just upriver of Portland by 80 miles
> or so. It has a large dam spanning what used to be Celilo Falls in it's front
> yard.
>
> Hydro territory doesn't even begin to define it... :-)
>
> "Eco-freak" territory also doesn't begin to define it, so the idea of piping
> water off the Columbia and returning it even 1/2 degree warmer is a
> non-starter.
>
> I'm amazed they let them put up tall cooling towers in "the historic, scenic
> Columbia River Gorge...." (sorry, old political battle flashback)
>
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