[90103] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Local Loop Install.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Derek J. Balling)
Wed Apr 26 23:32:19 2006
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From: "Derek J. Balling" <deballing@vassar.edu>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:31:16 -0700
To: nanog list <nanog@merit.edu>
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Also bear in mind that after your lease expires, they might could =20
very well be SOL if the new tenant decides "I don't want telco =20
monstronsity in the space I'm paying for", and they'd have every =20
right to simply rip it out (and possibly keep it, depending on your =20
area's local landlord/tenant laws, as it would be considered =20
"abandoned by the former tenant" [you]).
I'm not sure if you want to remind them of that, but I think it'd be =20
good form for full disclosure, since they might get dozens of =20
customers dependent on that hardware and suddenly have nowhere to put =20=
it if you ever decide to leave.
Cheers,
D
On Apr 26, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Aaron Gagnier wrote:
>
> I personally don't see how it would be unreasonable to ask for =20
> something if they want to use your space that you're paying for. =20
> Myself I would ask for the discount on service and also try to get =20
> the install waived or at least reduced.
>
> -ag
>
> Robert Sherrard wrote:
>> I've got an interesting question / situation...
>> I've got a local loop provider that we're looking at using for =20
>> some fiber connectivity. The long story is that there=92s no real =20
>> great place for them to place their gear in the entire building, =20
>> sort of paying rent to the landlord, placing gear in our suite, or =20=
>> placing gear in an uncontrolled room , i.e. no cooling, no =20
>> controlled access. This =93local-loop=94 provider is asking to place =20=
>> this gear into our space=85 while this gear is to provide us with =20
>> fiber connectivity back to a carrier hotel; they=92re also looking =20=
>> to service other tenants in our building. It is unrealistic to ask =20=
>> this provider for some sort of a kickback, or monthly discount on =20
>> service? They=92re hitting us up for an install fee, maybe they =20
>> could waive that? Anyone have some thoughts on this? Am I being =20
>> unrealistic in thinking that, if they are going to profit by =20
>> having gear in our space, we should expect to see a small return =20
>> or favor? The only other option for them is to spend money and =20
>> lease a small room, or modify an existing smaller room in the =20
>> building to fit their needs.
>> Rob
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Derek J. Balling
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Vassar College
124 Raymond Ave
Box 13 - Computer Center 217
Poughkeepsie, NY 12604
(845) 437-7231
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