[90129] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Local Loop Install.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Warren Kumari)
Fri Apr 28 18:36:32 2006
In-Reply-To: <3E0B00CB-9B6D-41CD-9417-12DD07B732D9@vassar.edu>
Cc: nanog list <nanog@merit.edu>
From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:35:51 -0700
To: "Derek J. Balling" <deballing@vassar.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
So, back in 1999 I'm working for this small ISP that decides they =20
want to become a colo player and open a datacenter in White Plains, =20
NY. We spend large amount of time with commercial real-estate people =20
to find a building with a: some space and b: fiber into the building.
Eventually real estate person calls about a a suitable building =20
(lots of power, cooling and space -- and a large fiber mux in the =20
basement) -- the previous tenant had just vacated the building...
We rush over and have a look... The building look great, nice =20
location, generators and even has a large area with raised floor, but =20=
we cannot find where the fiber comes in, nor the demarc area...
We call up the telco (Nynex at the time) and ask where this magic =20
fiber is... The guy on the phone mumbles something about some room in =20=
the basement. We go have a look and find nothing, so we call him back =20=
-- he get annoyed and says he was the installer and is sure it is =20
down there -- we have yet another look and nothing, so we call him =20
again... He starts sounding REALLY frustrated and says he will be =20
right over to show us where it is... 10 minutes later he arrives and =20
storms into the building, muttering under his breath about stupid =20
customers being so blind that the cannot find 2 racks worth of =20
equipment...
We follow him down into the basement and he strides across to one of =20
the room and throws open the door, saying "Look, you see, its over =20
here -- uh --- what?! Where did it go?!"
Against the back wall there 1/2 an inch of conduit sticking through =20
the wall -- we shine a flashlight down it and around 2 feet into the =20
conduit we can just see a bit of cable...
Turns out when the previous tenant left, they abandoned some metal =20
desks and the like in the building -- the building owner called in a =20
scrap metal company and paid them to "cart all of this junk away" -- =20
it would appear that sometime a large fiber mux looks like junk....
The sad part of this story (from our point!) is that rerunning the =20
fiber would have involved retrenching across the busiest street in =20
the city and so wouldn't be able to happen for 10-12 months -- thus =20
ended our colo plans...
Warren
On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Derek J. Balling wrote:
> Also bear in mind that after your lease expires, they might could =20
> very well be SOL if the new tenant decides "I don't want telco =20
> monstronsity in the space I'm paying for", and they'd have every =20
> right to simply rip it out (and possibly keep it, depending on your =20=
> area's local landlord/tenant laws, as it would be considered =20
> "abandoned by the former tenant" [you]).
>
> I'm not sure if you want to remind them of that, but I think it'd =20
> be good form for full disclosure, since they might get dozens of =20
> customers dependent on that hardware and suddenly have nowhere to =20
> put it if you ever decide to leave.
>
> Cheers,
> D
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Aaron Gagnier wrote:
>
>>
>> I personally don't see how it would be unreasonable to ask for =20
>> something if they want to use your space that you're paying for. =20
>> Myself I would ask for the discount on service and also try to get =20=
>> the install waived or at least reduced.
>>
>> -ag
>>
>> Robert Sherrard wrote:
>>> I've got an interesting question / situation...
>>> I've got a local loop provider that we're looking at using for =20
>>> some fiber connectivity. The long story is that there=92s no real =20=
>>> great place for them to place their gear in the entire building, =20
>>> sort of paying rent to the landlord, placing gear in our suite, =20
>>> or placing gear in an uncontrolled room , i.e. no cooling, no =20
>>> controlled access. This =93local-loop=94 provider is asking to place =
=20
>>> this gear into our space=85 while this gear is to provide us with =20=
>>> fiber connectivity back to a carrier hotel; they=92re also looking =20=
>>> to service other tenants in our building. It is unrealistic to =20
>>> ask this provider for some sort of a kickback, or monthly =20
>>> discount on service? They=92re hitting us up for an install fee, =20
>>> maybe they could waive that? Anyone have some thoughts on this? =20
>>> Am I being unrealistic in thinking that, if they are going to =20
>>> profit by having gear in our space, we should expect to see a =20
>>> small return or favor? The only other option for them is to spend =20=
>>> money and lease a small room, or modify an existing smaller room =20
>>> in the building to fit their needs.
>>> Rob
>
> --
>
> Derek J. Balling
> Systems Administrator
> Vassar College
> 124 Raymond Ave
> Box 13 - Computer Center 217
> Poughkeepsie, NY 12604
> (845) 437-7231
>
>
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There are only 10 types of people in this world -- those who =20
understand binary arithmetic and those who don't.
