[89969] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Common Carrier Question
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Derek J. Balling)
Fri Apr 14 11:41:18 2006
In-Reply-To: <E5248A1B-88E7-4CE0-8660-BF443700117C@semihuman.com>
Cc: ahebert@pubnix.net, "'NANOG list'" <nanog@nanog.org>
From: "Derek J. Balling" <deballing@vassar.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:40:45 -0400
To: Chris Woodfield <rekoil@semihuman.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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From reading that, though, it looks like the ISP in question also
has its own telephone product (after all, the quote in the article is
that they are a "North Carolina service provider that calls itself
the '17th largest phone company' in the US"
In which case, the fine may stem from the anti-competitive nature of
blocking their competitor rather than simply because they were
blocking some sort random service.
In other words, what juice would the FCC have against MomNPopISP.com
who decided to block VoIP?
D
On Apr 14, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Chris Woodfield wrote:
>
> Madison River, a regional cable provider in North Carolina, did it
> last March and got fined by the FCC for its trouble:
>
> http://www.networkingpipeline.com/60405195
>
> -C
>
> On Apr 13, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Alain Hebert wrote:
>
>>
>> Eric Germann wrote:
>>
>>> Except when an ISP blocks Vonage completely, then they aren't
>>> neutral and it
>>> is QoS (unless the QoS == 0 for VoIP)
>> We (or its just me) might be curious about which ISP did that.
>>
>> Offlist if you want.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Patrick W. Gilmore
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:07 PM
>>> To: NANOG list
>>> Cc: Patrick W. Gilmore
>>> Subject: Re: Common Carrier Question
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Eric Germann wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm working on a graduate policy paper regarding Internet
>>>> filtering by blocking ASN's or IP prefixes. It is a variation
>>>> of Net Neutrality, just by a different name.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Except Network Neutrality is about QoS, not filtering.
>>>
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net
>> PubNIX Inc. P.O. Box 175 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W
>> 5T7
>> tel 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514-990-9443
>>
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Derek J. Balling
Systems Administrator
Vassar College
124 Raymond Ave
Box 13 - Computer Center 221
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