[89335] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: shim6 @ NANOG
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Mar 8 01:33:27 2006
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:32:42 -0800
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
To: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>
Cc: Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@cisco.com>, NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <6DC0DCC8-2844-4D86-97F4-670D71E2B02E@muada.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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--On March 7, 2006 4:29:28 PM +0100 Iljitsch van Beijnum=20
<iljitsch@muada.com> wrote:
> On 6-mrt-2006, at 22:08, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>>> What I hear is "any type of geography can't work because network
>>> topology !=3D geography". That's like saying cars can't work
>>> because they
>>> can't drive over water which covers 70% of the earth's surface.
>
>> No, it's more like saying "Cars which can't operate off of freeways
>> won't work" because there are a lot of places freeways don't go.
>> Hmmm... Come to think of it, I haven't seen anyone selling a car
>> which won't operate off of a freeway.
>
> If we slightly open this up to "vehicles on wheels" and "long distance
> infrastructure created specially for said vehicles" trains would
> qualify...
>
True, and, a good case in point. A relatively small percentage of the
US population finds trains routinely useful. An even smaller percentage
(infinitessimal, actually) finds them useful enough to not have a car.
>> I've got no opposition to issuing addresses based on some geotop.
>> design,
>> simply because on the off chance it does provide useful
>> aggregation, why
>> not.
>
> Exactly, that's all I ask.
>
>> OTOH, I haven't seen anyone propose geotop allocation as a policy
>> in the ARIN region (hint to those pushing for it).
>
> Hm, I would rather do this globally but maybe this is the way to go...
The only way to achieve global policy is to achieve a similar policy in
each RIR and then get them to agree on a globally consistent one together.
This is by design because it is a process which allows each region to
have full input into the process without the stakeholders in any region
being steamrolled by the needs of another region.
Owen
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