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Re: Yahoo, Google, Microsoft contact?

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Simon Waters)
Fri Feb 3 11:05:24 2006

From: Simon Waters <simonw@zynet.net>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:04:51 +0000
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <200602031532.k13FWZnN002878@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu


On Friday 03 Feb 2006 15:32, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
>
> There's also the deeper question:  Why do we let the situation persist? 
> Why do we tolerate the continued problems from unreachable companies?

Economics. Some of those unreachable companies (the majority?) are huge 
networks who your customers care about reaching for whatever reason.

Until someone comes up with a way of punishing them, or their customers, 
without punishing themselves, or their own customers equally.....

Sounds like one for pledgebank.... something like "we'll delay every email to 
every domain listed in rfc-ignorant for 30(?) minutes if 500 other email 
admins will do the same"....  

All comes back to Internet death sentence type thinking. Although I think 
delaying email is perhaps better than null routing the network, since it 
hurts enough to highlight the issue, but isn't too damaging.

Better ideas sought.

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