[81824] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: mobile user strawman argument
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brad Knowles)
Thu Jun 30 17:33:45 2005
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0506301353130.1324-100000@ruby.he.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:16:37 +0200
To: Mike Leber <mleber@he.net>
From: Brad Knowles <brad@stop.mail-abuse.org>
Cc: Brad Knowles <brad@stop.mail-abuse.org>, nanog@merit.edu
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
At 2:02 PM -0700 2005-06-30, Mike Leber wrote:
> In practice if your remote users don't use the submit port on your servers
> it gives rise to all kinds of different issues involving you trying to
> support the outbound filtering AOL is doing on your customers sending from
> non AOL domains.
That doesn't change the fact that plenty of MUAs do not properly
handle alternative ports.
> Or you support POP AUTH, which just works, is in widespread use (probably
> the most widespread of the methods of authenticating the submit port after
> allowing relaying by IP), and was implemented years ago when open relays
> were closed.
Unfortunately, plenty of MUAs, even ones old enough to have been
around when POP-before-SMTP was the only authentication measure
around, still don't support this, or don't support it correctly.
Hell, damn few clients do plain-jane POP or SMTP anywhere
remotely close to correctly. Expecting them to do anything more
advanced than that will be an exercise in frustration.
You can't just set a hard and fast rule (like "let them eat
cake"), and automatically expect all MUAs to kow-tow overnight.
--
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