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Re: More long AS-sets announced

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Pete Templin)
Tue Jun 21 12:23:06 2005

Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:22:36 -0500
From: Pete Templin <petelists@templin.org>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Cc: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@ripe.net>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <17080.6367.608221.766390@roam.psg.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu


Randy Bush wrote:

> showing that ios won't crash is very difficult because the number
> of versions of ios, and the amazing dependencies of things on which
> blade is in which slot and what phase is the moon.

Thank you.  You've provided a clean, concise counter to Lorenzo's 
original claim that long AS sets won't trip on IOS bugs.

This may be a well-run, very small experiment, but it's experimenting 
with a space that's rarely explored and therefore less likely to have 
encountered the same level of operational testing that horrifying 
garbage leaks have tested.  As such, I'm frustrated that the testers 
consider requests to provide more advance notice to be so "obtuse".

Many of us in the operational community are required to conduct testing 
in lab environments, followed by well-announced maintenance windows. 
Why is this operational test supposed to be given freer reign on the 
'net than our own operations?  Alternatively, why can't the test be 
conducted in a lab, with interested operators providing router 
configurations and xOS versions to give the test bed the most realistic 
sample of the 'net, without using the production 'net?

pt

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