[81533] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Joe Abley)
Thu Jun 16 13:38:03 2005
In-Reply-To: <OFA5998A66.7D83942B-ON80257022.0055E4DB-80257022.0056E223@radianz.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
From: Joe Abley <jabley@isc.org>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:36:48 -0400
To: Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
Far not, I have nothing to add on the "e-mail peering" hand-waving,
but...
On 2005-06-16, at 11:49, Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com wrote:
>>> If the BGP peering side of the business can sort out all of
>>> this stuff, then why can't the email side of the business do
>>> the same, or perhaps, do even better?
>>
>> It's not comparable, as has been explained several times to you.
>
> Perhaps you have never been involved in BGP peering? Let
> me explain what the BGP peering side of the business does,
> in addition to operating BGP sessions with peers. To start
> with, most ISPs don't start peering until after they have
> negotiated and agreement. Those agreements are legal contracts
> with many pages specifying the responsibilities of the two
> parties, limits on how the technology is to be applied,
> SLAs, processes for interoperation and communication between
> NOCs, i.e. the people protocols.
... this (above) is vastly different to my experience.
At ISC we have between 1000 and 2000 BGP sessions active at exchanges
around the world. I can count the number of those that required
signed peering agreements on two hands.
Of those that did require paperwork, most were very happy to set up
BGP sessions straight away, without waiting for the contracts to be
signed and mailed. (If there are any such people watching, to whom I
never got around to sending you a signed contract back, please let me
know, and sorry :-)
Unless I am just very special, and some natural law protects me from
mountains of legal paperwork which everybody else is obliged to
climb, BGP peering is a lot more free and loose in real life than you
suggest.
Joe
