[79348] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gadi Evron)
Mon Apr 4 13:44:25 2005
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:46:42 +0200
From: Gadi Evron <ge@linuxbox.org>
To: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@cybernothing.org>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <20050404173249.GY13811@arctic.org>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
J.D. Falk wrote:
> On 04/04/05, Gadi Evron <ge@linuxbox.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Most people won't care about their "freedom" if they can do whatever
>>they want by asking for it. Most users want Web, Mail and IM. Three
>>things. How are any of these guys who could easily get their privileges
>>(and your responsibilities) back again even going to guess that some big
>>right is being taken away? They have complete freedom and x9000 more
>>safety. They can even sign a paper stating exactly that.
>>
>>So, costs savings on bandwidth and support. Less net abuse. Ouch - less
>>demand on AV sales? Run the numbers people.
>
>
> Problem is, this conversation is mostly taking place amongst
> geeks -- and most of us geeks /do/ want open access. So the gut
> reaction is "oh shit, I won't be able to run my personal mail
> server at home anymore!" even though the consumers of consumer-
> grade services don't know how to do that, and don't care.
Okay, as a geek; do you want to be on an ISP where you will get scanned
1000 times a minute or just twice?
As a geek, do you want service-on-demand or just getting all the lusers
around you roaming free with phasers?
As a geek, do you not want the Internet to still be here *completely*
OPEN and FREE in the future?
Lastly, I suppose that as a geek ISP, one might want to sell more
bandwidth. After all, the more sh*t that goes through the tubes the
bigger tubes people buy.
Between spam, spyware and worms, not to mention scans ad attacks, I
suppose that a large percentage of the Internet already is pay-for-junk?
Gadi.
